Jovial,

 

Your statement regarding the Northern kingdom of Israel no longer existing is very telling concerning your own level of scholarship on anything related to the subject.

 

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Jovial:

Cahn applies Isaiah 9:10 to the USA, which is numbered Isaiah 9:9 in most Jewish editions. But Isaiah 9:9 says the verse applies to Ephraim and Samaria; the Northern kingdom of Israel which no longer exists.

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One wonders where to even begin when the knowledge is so available for those with eyes or the will to look and see it but for the willfully ignorant no amount of evidence will suffice. But I must ask on what do you hang that statement in the light of God's promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and David assuring that the earthly kingdom would be perpetual and not be replaced or cease as long as there are stars, sun and moon, David's throne would exist and be ruling in the earth over the Northern kingdom of Israel, though it would be overturned three times (Jerusalem to Ireland, Ireland to Scotland and Scotland to England where it is today), and no more overturned until He (Jesus) comes whose right it is to reign? (Judah had two sons by the way, Pharez and Zarah and David's throne, Judah, rules over Israel today and has never been interrupted, just as God promised. Jeremiah took the daughters of Zedekiah the king of Judah to Ireland where they married the Zara line of David who were already there since after the Egyptian bondage ended, according to 2 Esdras, keeping the promise of God intact until now because God had made a stipulation under Moses that if ever the male heir were cut off He would continue through the female heir and King Nebuchadnezzar did not know this so he let Jeremiah leave with the daughters of the king but killed the sons.)

 

God divided the birthright and gave lawmaking and the scepter to Judah (the Jews) but the remaining promises, all of them, stayed with the Northern kingdom of Ephraim (the one you say no longer exists which would make God a liar) therefore they are to be in number as the sand of the sea and dwelling in Islands that form a commonwealth of nations etc. (Have you read Isaiah? Have you noticed that God's people in the latter days would be referred to as living on Islands? And one tribe leaves the others to go to a new land needing more space...) For God's word to be true they must be a people still today that have all of the identifying marks that God says they will have, among them being that they will chiefly be called by Isaac's name.. Also that they would for a time be known as "Not My people" and they would not keep the feast-days etc. even speaking a new tongue and have a new name but in that place where they were known as not God's people, there they would become known as sons of the living God. Jesus sent his "Benjamites" out to find the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

Here is a list of the identifying marks of Israel by E. Raymond Capt:

 

It is hoped that the truths expressed in this booklet have renewed faith in God, and in the inspiration of

the Bible, and have created an interest in a more complete understanding of God's dealing with the man

Abraham whose remarkable destiny the world has yet to understand and to reckon with.

APPENDIX

THE MARKS OF ISRAEL

How strange it is, that with all the definite and positive assurances in the Word of God as to Israel's

continuance for ever as a Nation, there/has never been any continued or persistent effort on the part of

genuine Bible believers to find them. That they have been content to let them fade away and vanish into

nothingness is surely a deep reproach on all true Christians.

There is, however, one probable explanation. It was GOD'S WILL AND PURPOSE TO HIDE THEM.

While the Jews (some of whom are only a part of the House of Judah) occupied the stage, and even

called themselves "Israel", God could work unhindered with and in "Lost Israel", till he had finished his

predetermined work and without them knowing they were the people of the Book. Only as Israel's time

of punishment had run out with the whole of God's purposes at the point of complete fulfillment, was the

identity of Israel to become known.

However, it is a matter of inspired record that God placed "marks" on His people Israel. During the

Christian dispensation, Lost Israel was to possess these marks of identification. So then, if we can

discover the nations and people with Israel's marks, we have found the people whom God chose to serve

Him to be a channel of blessing to all mankind. The God-given marks are very many, and while the

following list is not exhaustive, they constitute a chain of evidence utterly impossible to ignore.

One race, and one race alone, has all these marks. Nations within this race may have only a portion of

them, but the race as a whole has them all. With a few exceptions, Joseph (the birthright nation) was the

recipient of them all. By inheritance, his two sons, Ephraim (Great Britain) and Manasseh (U.S.A.) will

be found possessing them all.

While Israelites remain in other countries. America is the home of millions of all the thirteen tribes (one

out of many) and thus is representative of the whole House of Jacob. We are bound by Israel's

responsibilities, fulfilling Israel's destiny. The MARKS are on us everywhere; in our NAME; in our

SABBATH; in our INSTITUTIONS; in our PHILANTHROPY; in our COMMERCE; in our WEALTH;

in our MINES; in our AGRICULTURE; in our CHURCHES; in our MISSIONARY ENTERPRISES; in

our ARMED FORCES; in our POSSESSION OF THE BIBLE; - all BIRTHMARKS, which neither

time, nor the ages, nor even our sin can wipe out.

1. Israel to be a great and mighty nation.

Gen. 12:2; 18:18; Deut. 4:7,8.

2. Israel to have multitudinous seed.

Gen. 13:16; 15:5; 22:17; 24:60; 26:4. 24; 28:3. 14; 32:12; 49:22;

Isa. 10:22; Hos. 1:10; Zech. 10:7,8.

3. Israel to spread abroad to the West, East, North and South.

Gen. 28:14; Isa. 42:5. 6.

4. Israel to have a new home.

II Sam. 7:10; I Chron. 7:9.

5. Israel's home to be north-west of Palestine.

Isa. 49:12; Jer. 3:18

6. Israel to live in islands and coasts of the earth.

Isa. 41:1; 49:1-3; 51:5; Jer. 31:7-10.

7. Israel to become a company of nations.

Gen. 17:4 - 6.15.16; 35:11; 48:19; Eph. 2:12.

8. Israel to have a Davidic King (a perpetual monarchy within Israel).

II Sam. 7:13.19; I Chron. 22:10; II Chron. 13:5; Isa, 89:20, 37; Ezek. 37:24; Jer. 33:17, 21. 26.

9. Israel to colonize and spread abroad.

Gen. 28:14; 49:22; Deut. 32:8; 33:17; Psa. 2:8; Isa. 26:15; 27:6; 54:2; Zech. 10:8. 9.

10. Israel to colonize the desolate place of the earth.

Isa. 35:1; 43:19, 20; 49:8; 54:3; 58:11, 12.

11. Israel to lose a colony, then expand, demanding more room.

Isa. 49:19. 20.

12. Israel to have all the land needed.

Deut. 32:8.

13. Israel to be the first among the nations.

Gen. 27:29; 28:13; Jer. 31:7.

14. Israel to continue as a nation for ever.

II Sam. 7:16, 24. 29; I Chron. 17:22 - 27; Jer. 31:35 - 37.

15. Israel's home to be invincible by outside forces.

II Sam. 7:10; Isa. 41:11-14.

16. Israel to be undefeatable - defended by God.

Num. 24:8. 9; Isa. 15 -17; Micah 5:8, 9.

17. Israel to be God's instruments in destroying evil.

Jer. 51:20; 51:19 - 24; Dan. 2:34. 35.

18. Israel to have a land of great mineral wealth.

Gen. 49:25. 26; Deut. 8:9; 33:15 -19.

19. Israel to have a land of great agricultural wealth.

Gen. 27:28; Deut. 8:7. 9; 28:11; 33:13. 14. 28.

20. Israel to be rich by trading.

Isa. 60:5-11; 61:6.

21. Israel to be envied and feared by all nations.

Deut. 2:25; 4:8; 28:10; Isa. 43:4; 60:10, 12; Micah 7:16. 17:Jer-33:9.

22. Israel to lend to other nations, borrowing of none.

Deut. 15:6; 28:12.

23. Israel to have a new name.

Isa. 62:2; 65:15; Hos. 2:17.

24. Israel to have a new language.

Isa. 28:11 (The Bible, by means of which God speaks now to Israel, is English not Hebrew).

25. Israel to possess the gates of his enemies.

Gen. 22:17.

26. Israel to find the aborigines diminishing before them.

Deut. 33:17; Isa. 60:12; Jer. 31:7 -10.

27. Israel to have control of the seas.

Deut. 33:19; Num. 24:7; Psa. 89:25; Isa. 60:5 (F. Fenton translates this last, "when rolls up to you all the

wealth of the sea". That could not be unless Israel controlled it).

28. Israel to have a new religion (New Covenant).

Heb. 8:10 - 13; 9:17; Matt. 10:5 - 7; Luke 1:77; 2:32; 22:20; John 11:49 - 52; Gal. 3:13.

29. Israel to lose all trace of her lineage.

Isa. 42:16 -19; Hos. 1:9,10; 2:6; Rom. 11:25.

30. Israel to keep Sabbath for ever (one day in seven set aside).

Ex. 31:13,16,17; Isa. 58:13,14.

31. Israel to be called the sons of God (i.e.. accept Christianity).

Hos. 1:10 -11.

32. Israel to be a people saved by the Lord.

Deut. 33:27 - 29; Isa. 41:8 -14; 43:1 - 8; 44:1 - 3; 49:25, 26; 52:1 -12; 55:3 -10,13; Jer. 46:27. 28; Ezek.

34:10 -16; Hos. 2:23; 13:9-14; 14:4, 6.

33. Israel to be the custodians of the Oracles (Scriptures) of God.

Psa. 147:19. 21; Isa. 59:21.

34. Israel to carry the Gospel to all the world.

Gen. 28:14; Isa. 43:10 - 12 (witnesses). 21; Micah 5:7.

35. Israel to be kind to the poor and set slaves free.

Deut. 15:7.11; Psa. 72:4; Isa. 42:7; 49:9; 58:6.

36. Israel to be the heir of the world.

Rom. 4:13.

37. Israel to be God's Glory.

Isa. 46:13; 49:3; 60:1. 2.

38. Israel to possess God's Holy Spirit as well as His Word.

Isa. 44:3; 59:21; Hagg. 2:5.

39. Israel to be God's Heritage, formed by God. for ever.

Deut. 4:20; 7:6; 14:2; II Sam. 7:23; I Kings 8:51, 53; Isa. 43:21; 54:5-10; Hos. 2:19, 23; Joel 2:27;

Micah 7:14 -18.

40. Israel is the nation appointed to bring glory to God.

Isa. 41:8 -16; 43:10.21; 44:23; 49:3.

"YE SEED OF ISRAEL'S CHOSEN RACE,

YE RANDSOMED OF THE FALL,

HAIL HIM WHO SAVES YOU BY HIS GRACE,

AND CROWN HIM LORD OF ALL."

NAMES GOD GAVE TO ISRAEL

ANCIENTS (Is. iii, 14; xxiv, 23; Jer. xix, I; Ezek. vii. 26; viii. II).

ANOINTED (I Chr. xvi. 22; Ps. ii. 2; cv. 15; Hab. iii. 13; Zech. iv, 14.

BATTLE-AXE (Jer. li. 20).

BELOVED (Ps. Ix. 5; Is v. I; Rom. xi. 28).

DEARLY BELOVED (Jer. xxxi. 20).

BETROTHED (Hos. ii. 19).

BLESSED (Gen. xii. 2; xiv. 19; xviii. 18; Deut. vii. 14; Ps. xxxiii. 12; Is. li. 2; Ixi, 9; Ixv, 23).

BLESSING (Gen. xii, 2. 3; xxviii. 4; Deut. xxxiii. I. 16; Ps. iii, 8; Is. xix. 24; Ixv. 8; Zee. viii. 13; Gal.

iii, 14; Heb. vi, 14).

BRANCH (Ps. Ixxx. 15; Is. vi, 2; Ix. 21).

BRIDE (Is. Ixii. 5; Jer. xxxiii. II; Joel ii. 16).

CHIEF OF NATIONS (Jer. xxxi. 7).

CHILDREN (Deut. xiv. I; I Chr. xvi. 13; Ps. Ixxxii. 6; Is. xlix.23;Joelii.23).

CHILDREN OF ZION (Ps. cxlix, 2).

LOVED CHILD (Hos. xi. I).

PLEASANT CHILD (Jer. xxxi, 20).

CHOSEN (Deut. vii, 6; xiv. 2; Ps. cv, 6; cxxxv. 4; Is. xli. 9; xliii. 10; xlvii. 10)

CHOSEN GENERATION (I PET. II. 9).

CONGREGATION (Num. xvi. 3; Ps. Ixviii. 10; Ixxiv. 2; Joel ii,16).

CONSECRATED (Ex. xxxii. 29; I Chr. xxix. 5; 2 Chr. xxix. 5; 2 Chr. xxix. 31; Ezek. xliii. 26; Micah

iv. 13).

DELIGHT (Deut. x. 15).

DEW FROM THE LORD (Micah v, 7).

ROYAL DIADEM (Is. Ixii. 3).

DOMINION (Ps. cxvii. 4; Ixviii. 34).

ETERNAL EXCELLENCY (Is. Ix. 15).

SWORD OF EXCELLENCY (Deut. xxxiii. 29).

FIRSTBORN (Ex. iv. 22; Jer. xxxi. 9).

FIRSTFRUITS OF INCREASE (Jer. ii. 3).

FLOCK (Is. xl. II; Jer. xiii, 17. 20; xxiii. 2; xxxi. 10; Ezek. xxxvi. 38; Micah vii, 14; Zee. ix, 16; I Pet.

v, 2).

FOUNTAIN (Deut. xxxiii. 28; Ps. Ixviii. 26).

FRUIT (Is. xxvii. 6: Ezek. xvii. 8; Hos. xiv. 8; Matt. xxi, 43).

WATERED GARDEN (Is. Iviii. II; Jer. xxxi, 12).

GLORIFIED (Is. xxvi. 15; xliv. 23; Iv. 5; Ix. 9).

GLORY (Is. xliii, 7; xlvi. 13; Ix. 7; Luke ii, 32).

CROWN OF GLORY (Is. Ixii. 3; Zee. ix, l6).

HEIRS OF PROMISE (Heb. vi. 17).

HEIRS OF SALVATION (Heb. i. 14).

HEIRS OF THE WORLD (Rom. iv. 13).

HERITAGE (Is. liv. 17; Joel ii, 17; iii, 2; Micah vii. 14. 18; I Pet. v. 3).

SPIRITUAL HOUSE (Eph. ii. 21. 22; I Pet. ii. 5).

INHERITANCE (Deut. ix, 26. 29; I Kings viii. 51; Ps. xxxiii. 12; Ixviii. 9; cvi, 5; Is. xix. 25; bdii, 17).

PEOPLE OF INHERITANCE (Deut. iv. 20).

ROD OF INHERITANCE (Ps. Ixxiv. 2; Jer. xi. 16; Ii, 19).

JEWELS (Is. Ixii. 3; Mal. iii. 17).

JOY OF MANY NATIONS (Is. Ix. 15).

KINGS (Is. xlix. 7. 23).

KINGDOM OF GOD (Matt. xxi, 43).

KINGDOM (Ex. xix, 6; Num. xxiv. 7; Deut. xvii. 20).

LAW GIVERS Ps. Ixxviii. 5; cxlvii. 19; Is. xlii. 4; Ii. 7).

LIGHT (Is. Ii. 4; Ix, 3; Luke ii, 32).

GREAT LION (Num. xxiii, 24; Micah v. 8).

YOUNG LIONS (Is. v. 29; Ezek. xix. 2; xxxviii. 13).

LOT (Deut. xxxii. 9).

EVERLASTING LOVE (Deut. vii, 8; Jer. xxxi. 3; Hos. xi. I).

MIGHTY MEN (Joel iii. 9; Nah. ii. 3; Zech. x. 5).

VALIANT MEN (Nah. ii. 3).

MERCHANTS OF TARSHISH (Ezek. xxxviii, 13).

MESSENGERS (Is. xiv. 32; xlii. 19;xliv. 26).

MESSENGERS OF THE COVENANT (Mal. iii. I).

MINISTERS (Is. Ixi. 6).

BLESSED NATION (Ps. xxxiii. 12).

EVERLASTING NATION (Gen. xvii. 5, 6; I Chr. xvii. 21, 22; 2 Sam. vii, 23. 24; Ezek. xxxvii. 12-28;

Luke i, 33. 55).

GREAT NATION (Gen. xii. 2; Deut. iv. 6. 8).

GREAT AND MIGHTY NATION (Gen. xviii. 18).

HOLY NATION (Ex. xix. 6; I Pet. ii, 9).

ISLAND NATION (Is. xxiv, 14; xli. I; xliii. 4. 5. 10; xlix, I 19; Jer. xxxiii. 8; xxxi, 10).

MIGHTY NATION (Is. xxvi, 2).

NATION WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD (Ps. xxxiii. 12; cxliv. 15).

NATION & COMPANY OF NATIONS (Gen. xxxv. 11).

RIGHTEOUS NATION (Ps. cxviii, 19. 20; Is. xxvi. 2; Hos. ii. 19).

STRONG NATION (Is. Ix, 22; Micah iv.7).

WEALTHY NATION (Jer. xlix, 31).

ACCEPTED ONES (Is. Ivi, 7; Ezek. xx, 41; I Pet. ii. 5).

GATHERED ONES (Is. xxvii. 12; liv. 7; Ivi. 8; Jer. xxix, 14; xxxi. 10; Ezek. xxviii, 25).

LOVED ONES (Deut. iv. 27).

MARRIED ONES (Jer. iii. 14; Hos. ii. 19).

REVIVED ONES (Ps. Ixxxv. 6; Hos. vi, 2).

SANCTIFIED ONES (Is. xiii. 3; Ezek. xx. 41; xxxix. 27).

SAVED ONES (Deut. xxxiii. 29; Ps. xliv. 7; Is. xiv. 22; Luke i. 71).

OUTCASTS (Ps. cxlvii. 2; Is. xi. 13).

PASTURE (Ps. xcv. 2).

PEOPLE OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM (Ps. xlvii. 9).

HIS PEOPLE (Ex. vi. 7; Deut. xxxii, 9; 2 Chr. ii. II; Ps. Ixxviii. 71; Luke vii. 16).

PEOPLE CHOSEN FOR HIS OWN INHERITANCE (Ps. xxxiii, 12).

COLONISING PEOPLE (Is. xxxv, I; xlix. 8).

COVENANT PEOPLE (Gen. xvii. 7; xxii, 16; Ps. cv, 8. 9, 10; Ezek. xxxvii, 26; Luke i. 73; Heb. vi,

13).

HOLY PEOPLE (Deut. xiv, 2; xxvi, 18; I Pet. ii. 9).

PUSHING PEOPLE (Num. xxiii. 22; Deut. xxxiii. 17; Is. xxxiv. 7).

PURCHASED PEOPLE (Ex. xv, 6; Ps. Ixxiv. 2).

RIGHTEOUS PEOPLE (Is. Ix. 21).

SEPARATE PEOPLE (Num. xxiii. 9; Deut. xxxiii. 28).

SPECIAL PEOPLE (Deut. vii. 6).

PLEASANT PLANT (Is. v. 7).

PLANTING (Is. Ixi, 3).

PORTION (Deut. xxxii, 9).

PURCHASED POSSESSION (Eph. i. 14).

PRAISE (Deut. xxvi. 19; Is. xliii, 21).

KINGDOM OF PRIESTS (Ex. xix. 6).

HOLY PRIESTHOOD (I Pet. ii. 5, 9).

ROYAL PRIESTHOOD (I Pet. ii. 9).

PRIESTS OF THE LORD (Is. Ixi, 6).

RANSOMED (Is. xxxv. 10; Jer. xxxi. II; Hos. xiii. 14).

REDEEMED (Is. xliv, 23; xlviii, 20; Ixii. 12; Jer. xxxi. II).

REJOICING (Is. Ixii. 5; Ixv. 13, 19; Ixvi, 10. 14; Jer. xxxii, 42).

REMNANT (Is. xlvi. 3; Jer. xxiii. 3).

RESIDUE (Is. xxviii. 5; Zee. viii, II).

TREES OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (Is. Ixi. 3).

SAINTS (Deut. xxxiii, 3; Ps. 1, 5; Ixxxv. 8; xcvii, 10; cxlvii, 14; Dan. vii. 27).

SANCTIFIED [Lev. xxi, 23; Is. xiii, 3; Ezek. xx, 41; xxxix, 27; Heb. x, 14.

SANCTUARY (Ex. xv. 17; xxv, 8; Ps. cxiv, 2; Is. xliii, 28; Ezek. xxxvii, 28).

SEED THE LORD HATH BLESSED (Is. Ixi. 9).

SERVANTS (Ps. Ixix, 36; Is. xli. 8, 9; xliii. 21; Ixv. 9 13, 15).

SHEEP (Ps. Ixxiv, I; xcv, 7; c, 3; Jer. xxxi. 10; Ezek. xxxiv. 11, 12).

LOST SHEEP (Jer. I. 6; Matt. x, 6; xv. 24).

SHIELDS OF THE EARTH (Ps. xlvii. 9).

SHIELD OF HELP (Deut. xxxiii, 29; Ps. cxv. 9, 10. 11).

SHIELD OF MIGHTY MEN (Nah. ii. 3).

SHIPS OF TARSHISH (Is. Ix. 9).

SON (Ex. iv. 22; Is. xlii. 6; xlv, II; Hos. i, 10; xi, I; John i. 12; 2 Cor. vi. 18). DEAR SON (Jer. xxxi,

20).

LIVELY STONES (Eph. ii, 21, 22; I Pet. ii. 5).

STRENGTH (Ps. Ix. 7; Ixviii. 35; Deut. xxxiii. 17).

TABERNACLE (Lev. xxvi, 11. 12; Ezek. xxxvii. 27; Amos ix, 11; Acts vii, 44, 46; xv. 10).

TEMPLE (I Cor. iii. 16. 17; 2 Cor. vi. 16; Eph. ii. 21. 22).

TESTIMONY (Ps. Ixxviii. 5; cxxxii. 12; cxlvii. 19).

PECULIAR TREASURE (Ex. xviii, 5; Ps. cxxxv. 4).

GREEN OLIVE TREE (Jer. xi. 16; Rom xi. 17).

TRIBES (Ps. cxxii, 4; Is. xlix. 6; Ixiii. 17).

THRONE (Deut. xvii. 18; 2 Sam. vii, 13; I Chr. xxii. 10; Ps. xxxix, 4; Jer. xiv, 21; Ezek. xliii, 7).

VINE (Ps. Ixxx. 8; Jer. vi, 9; Ezek. xvii. 6; Hos. xiv, 7).

NOBLEVINE (Jer.ii.21).

GOODLY VINE (Ezek. xvii, 8).

VINEYARD (Ps. Ixxx. 15-. Is. v; Jer. xii. 10).

VIRGIN (Jer. xxxi, 4. 21; Amos v, 2).

WANDERERS (Hos. ix. 17).

WEAPONS OF WAR (Jer. Ii. 20).

WITNESSES (Is. xliii. 10, 12; xliv. 8).

"Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the Lord: Look unto the rock whence

ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged. Look unto Abraham, your father, and

unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him... Hearken unto

me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation."

Isaiah 51: 1-2.4.

This "Outline" of the Identity of God's people as revealed by the study of God's Covenant with Abraham

was compiled as a guide-line for study. No infallibility is claimed for the opinions expressed herein.

Much research and study is still necessary before every facet of this wonderful truth is known in all its

perfection. This remains to be done by honest and sincere searchers for truth, who may not only correct

errors but add to our understanding of God's truth. To gain this knowledge - Search the Scriptures.

E. Raymond Capt

"Our eyes are holden that we cannot see things that stare us in the face until the hour arrives when the

mind is ripened. Then we behold them, and the time when we saw them not is like a dream."

(R. W. Emerson)