Ray (4 Dec 2022)
"Altar saints in Seal 5 versus those come out from great tribulation in Revelation 7"


 
John and Doves,

Another proof of pretribulation rapture from God.

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 

"These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb"

Those come out from the great tribulation is responsible for having their white robe washed and keep it clean. During the tribulation, people come to Christ by witnessing the evidence ( We the church come to Christ by faith, for not seeing any evidence ). Salvation is no longer a gift in tribulation. They have to earn it.  This is why they have to keep their white robes clean, and make them white in the blood of the Lamb. Salvation is no longer secured. They can lose it if they are not being careful. In simple words, it is their responsibility to keep their salvation by not losing it.  It means the church is no longer on earth.

We can compare them to altar saints in seal 5. 

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them"

A white robe is given to them. It means salvation is a gift to them. They don't have to earn it. Unlike the tribulation saints in Revelation 7:13, they don't need to wash their white robe, and constantly keep it clean.  It speaks of them living in the age of grace where salvation is a gift. These seal 5 altar saints are the church saints living from the first century up to the rapture.  Seal 5 speaks of the church saints who are raptured prior to tribulation. They are already in heaven prior to seals open. Seeing the first four seals opened by Jesus, they want to know if the time for their revenge is ripe. Jesus says not yet, until the number of tribulation martyred saints is reached.

Make my long story short. Seal 5 saints are the church saints who are taken up to heaven in pretribulation rapture, while the saints in chapter 7:13-17 are the left behind tribulation believers who constantly need to keep their salvation by not losing it ( wash their robe, and keep it white in the blood of the Lamb).

A note here. For those who haven't come to Christ, you need to do it now so that you can partake in rapture, and won't be left behind in the horrible 7 years tribulation. It is because even though you come to Christ during the tribulation, you can still lose your salvation because the temptation, suffering and endurance is too great that you may not be able to handle. And for those post-tribbers who think they can endure toward the end in 7 years tribulation, you better think twice, and listen to  Jesus' warning to those that come out from great tribulation, that salvation is no longer a guarantee thing in tribulation. You can lose your salvation in tribulation. You better pray to Jesus that he finds you worthy to escape all those things to come in tribulation, by allowing you to partake in rapture. Throw away your post-tribulation rapture thought now. Your salvation is no longer guaranteed in tribulation.

Ray