Rene (24 Dec 2013)
"The 144,000 are NOT THE CHURCH!!! The woman with the 12 stars is NOT THE CHURCH!"



AND the TWO witnesses are NOT the Church!!!  Honestly, I don't know which is worse - the Replacement Theology dudes who take the word Israel in the Bible and replace it with the Church, making you THINK that the CHURCH has replaced Israel - it hasn't - never has, never will --- OR people who try to take everybody in the Book of Revelation and make them the CHURCH - they aren't.  I am speaking of the 144,000 and the woman with the moon under her feet and the 12 stars around her head. THESE ARE NOT THE CHURCH, folks, so PLEASE stop pretending that they are! I have seen more U-tube videos and Bible studies out there where someone tries to allegorize 80% of the Book of Revelation and they really just WREST the scriptures to their own destruction!
 
This is what Origen did and Augustine followed him and did the same thing. He made the entire Book of Revelation a big allegory and stole the Blessed Hope of the Church regarding things like the rapture and the 2nd coming. BEWARE! We are commanded NOT to add to and NOT to take away from the WORDS of that book! He tried to make the 144,000 all the redeemed of the Church Age. They are NOT. Neither are they the BRIDE! God means what he says and says what He MEANS!  Revelation talks about the 1000 year reign of Christ SIX times. There will be 6000 years for man to run things, then the last 1000 years will be the golden age millennium where Jesus reigns in Jerusalem just as He promised. After the 7000 years are up you see the Great White Throne Judgement -- then  - ETERNITY begins!  Jesus is "re-commissioned" and his reign is forever. David's reign is forever! Those with human bodies are sent out to populate the vast planetary system of this universe. Thus God has what he wanted from the start (and didn't get) - a race of SINLESS HUMAN BEINGS who will worship HIM willingly and will raise their children to worship and GLORIFY GOD FOREVER and EVER!!!! When God says 1000 years, he means 1000 years; when he says 144,000 people, he means 144,000 people. He does NOT mean that this number (144,000) represents all the redeemed! He does NOT mean that this number represents all the Jehovah's witnesses that make it! He does NOT mean that this number STANDS FOR all the saved people from the Church Age!
 
We KNOW that the 144,000 are NOT CHRISTIANS. THEY ARE JEWS! How do we KNOW this? JUST READ IT IN THE BIBLE and it will interpret itself! Look at Revelation Chapter 7, verses 4 though 8. Verse 4 says they are from the TRIBES of the CHILDREN of ISRAEL! The CHURCH is NOT the children of Israel. It has some Jews, but it is mostly a GENTILE BRIDE!  It further goes on to tell you that there are 12,000 from EACH of the TRIBES of Israel and names them - Judah, Reuben, GAD, Aser, Nepthalim, Manasses, Simeon, etc, etc. Now does that sound to YOU like Smith, O'Malley, Johnson or Lewis? NO - these are the TRIBES of Israel - these are JEWS! WHY? Because when the Church age ends, God begins to deal with JACOB again. WE ARE NOT JACOB! We are the Church, the LAMB's WIFE!  Israel is God the Father's WIFE! Things that are OPPOSITE are NOT EQUAL. PLEASE do not wrangle and wrest the scriptures to your own destruction and teach others to do the same! God will NOT be very pleased with you, believe me!
 
How do we know that the woman with the 12 stars around her head and the moon under her feet (who gives birth to the man child) is Jacob (Israel)? Let the BIBLE interpret it for you! Go back to GENESIS chapter 37, verses 9-10. Joseph dreamed that the SUN and the MOON and ELEVEN stars were bowing before HIM. Well, duh - he was NUMBER 12. There were TWELVE sons of Jacob. Those stars are the 12 SONS OF JACOB. Even his father rebuked him, because his own father KNEW that the dream represented Joseph's mother and father and brothers bowing before HIM. Why is it that HE KNEW this and 80% of Christianity today cannot figure it out? The MESSIAH, JESUS, came from the Tribe of JUDAH! When Joseph's angry brothers sold him into slavery to Egypt, they later had to come back to get food from Egypt during the great famine. They were bowing before Joseph (who was 2nd to the Pharoh) that they did not recognize until he REVEALED HIMSELF to them and then embraced all of them and FORGAVE them for selling him out! He is one of the biggest types of CHRIST in the Bible. Jesus will FORGIVE all his BRETHREN (who do NOT recognize him at this time - and sold him for 30 pieces of silver) when he returns in fury to take vengeance on them that know not God. They will ask him WHAT ARE THESE WOUNDS IN THY HANDS (and feet) etc. etc. and he will say that he was wounded in the house of his friends. His own brethren did this to him. THEN THEY WILL REALIZE the truth and every tribe of Israel will go into MOURNING over the fact that all these years down through the centuries they did NOT recognize that JESUS was indeed THEIR TRUE MESSIAH!!!!
 
The CHURCH does not flee into the wilderness where she has a place prepared for her! Yes, I have recently heard people say that this is the CHURCH fleeing from the Antichrist. How blind can people get??? The CHURCH GOES UP at the rapture! Not out into the wilderness! The JEWS are commanded to flee from the Antichrist. Only 1/3 of them will make it. Once again, God will feed them with MANNA from heaven just as he did in the Old Testament. There will be TWO JEWISH witnesses (Moses & Elijah) that will witness to the world during the Great Tribulation and these are NOT representative of the CHURCH. They are NOT THE CHURCH. They are the two candlesticks that stand before the God of all the earth. There are TWO of them, not 2 billion! When God says TWO, he means TWO. When he says 144,000 (12,000 from each Tribe) he means 144,000, not several million and not a few billion! When he says 1000 years, he means 1000 years, not 20,000 and not 200,000! Please stop making a liar out of God IF you want HIS blessings! He won't show you a thing if you keep making him out to be a liar! And if YOU make HIM out to be a LIAR, he will make YOU into a liar...
 
Please don't make things that are different - alike - they are not! And PLEASE do not wrangle and wrest the scriptures to get your own personal preference for an end time scenario! All the main characters (that are good) in Revelation are NOT THE CHURCH!!!!There WILL be a rapture of the CHURCH - all true believers. If you wrest the scriptures to such a terrible degree, don't think God will reveal anything pertinent to you! You can't make a liar out of God without bringing his anger and chastisement upon you! And even his WRATH!
 
Rene