Steven Edel (11 Dec 2012)
"Discerning these times ..."


 

"Wise or Foolish?"

Wednesday, 12-12-12

 

As a long-time Doves reader and sometimes participant, for years I have enjoyed the input from so many…

 

However, there seems to be an increasing reiteration of some commonly held mis-beliefs; while not singling out this letter and writer specifically, it is representative of an area of Scripture that so many have questioned recently… 

 

 

Hi John and Doves,

I am sort of new here (although I read the website in the past, I just started reading regularly 2-3 months ago).  I was not raised with a pre-trib belief (only post-trib and it wasn't hardly hardly ever discussed).  It has been only recently with my unresolved questions that I have been willing to seriously, carefully look at the pre-trib issue.

 

I have read some scriptures that over several years have continued to bother me (not knowing for sure what they meant).  Central to this have been the wedding feast parables of the New Testament, especially Matthew 25.  Both the wise and the foolish know that the betrothal/engagement is over, the coming of the Bridegroom and subsequent wedding are imminent, because they are assembled at the bride's house to go on the procession.  Then a cry/shout is made.  Both the foolish and the wise WAKE UP…

 

… I have been praying to know for sure if there are two raptures or departures of some kind -- asking for a dream or vision, but I haven't gotten the answer other than my little thoughts and feelings here and there of concern.  Is it not prudent to be prepared, and if you don't need it then, someone else "left behind" will?  This could even be another family member who you love!  I personally do not believe that every person initially "left behind" would be foolish (unspiritual)  some people do want to help others -- family they love…  

 

 

While all Scripture is written for us – not all is written to us. The Book of Matthew is a good example of this -- and specifically chapters 24 and 25.

 

Consider Matthew 24:

·        Jewish disciples

·        sitting on the Mount of Olives

·        overlooking the Temple Mount

·        Asking questions of a Jewish Rabbi

 

It doesn’t get more Jewish than this.

Furthermore:

·        Jesus has yet to go to the Cross

·        He hasn’t ascended yet to the Father

·        the Holy Spirit has not yet been given

·        in short – the Church is yet future

 

Reading on in Matthew 24:

·        we are shown the Parable of the Fig Tree (Matt. 24: 32-35)

·        and the Illustration of the Days of Noah (Matt. 24: 36-44)

 

… all in answer to the disciples question concerning the End of the Age.

 

This is not an answer to when the Rapture of the Church may occur – they didn’t even know what a ‘Church’ was at this point. The Apostle Paul was still Saul and as yet had not been  given the ‘mystery’ of the Church.

 

These are ‘signs’ given for the end – the Second Coming – plenty of signs for this.

But the Rapture is a ‘sign-less’ event.

 

So, His Jewish disciples have asked their Jewish Rabbi about signs for His Second Coming – and the End of the Age – and He has told them as to what they should be watching.

 

Conversely, in Matthew 25:

·        Jesus begins with: Then the Kingdom of Heaven

·        The Rapture has now already occurred

·        The Age of Grace has ended

·        We are back to the final seven years of the Dispensation of Law (70th week)

·        The Holy Spirit is functioning in the manner found in the Old Testament

 

The Church is safely in Heaven at the ‘rewards ceremony’ of the Wedding Feast.

 

The 10 virgins however, represent those Jews (and Gentiles) who are being saved during the Tribulation.

No ‘Church’ here either.

 

Note the lack of oil (symbolic of the Holy Spirit).

Under “The Law” people were indwelt only temporarily by the Spirit, and then He would depart (just ask King David).

This is what we see here; all had been indwelt, but some had been less than diligent and been caught up in being ‘worldly’ again.

 

Matthew is a very Jewish book (the most Jewish of the four Gospels).

In Matthew 24 the Church has yet to come into existence.

In Matthew 25 the Church is already gone.

 

Israel is Israel and the Church is the Church – do not confuse the two. In God’s economy He either deals with one or the other … not both at the same time.

 

I don’t know if the confusion here is due to errant exegesis or creeping Replacement Theology – but the Church was only grafted in temporarily – a temporary replacement (see Romans 11). This occurred when the Jews of the first century rejected the atonement of Christ and lost their designation as “My people Israel”  - which is what the entire book of Hosea is all about.

God is by no means through with Israel.

 

This rejection ushered in the Dispensation of Grace with the Church as God’s primary instrument for spreading His Gospel in the earth, Israel being temporarily set aside.

 

But soon, and I mean real soon, Israel will soon regain her position as “My people Israel” and when this occurs the role of the Church is finished on earth and we are taken out of and away from (ek) the ‘wrath which is to come.’

 

 Further:

1.     We are not now in the Tribulation

2.     The Obamanation is not the antichrist (although certainly an antichrist)

3.     The Church does not go through any part of the seven years of tribulation

 

It is important to discern who is writing and to whom

 

Scripture divides in 5 ways as to whom it is written:

·        The entire Old Testament – written to the Jew

·        The four Gospels – to the Jew first - and then to the Gentile

·        The Book of Acts – to the newborn Church

·        The epistles (letters) were written for the edification of the Church

·        The Book of Revelation – write the things which were, which are, and are to come – written to the “elect” at those various times.

 

The ‘elect’ was not a permanent designation. God, at various times, elected and then un-elected various groups of people. These were merely the people chosen at a specific time for a specific task. (This fact alone makes Calvinism moot).

 

Date Setting

 

Jesus Christ Himself told us ‘no man can know the day and hour’ (Matt. 24:36). Jesus was not saying that there is a ‘day and hour’ - and you simply cannot know it – rather there isn’t one.

 

Time is one of the dimensions created by our Creator, and as such, He lives outside of time. There is no ‘time’ where He is concerned.

 

The ‘timing’ of these things is event driven – specifically events concerning Israel. As previously stated, when the Jew regains the coveted status of “My people Israel” … that will be the ‘timing’ of the Rapture.  

 

Many try to tie the Seven Feasts of Israel to the timing of the Rapture.

These Seven Feasts of Israel were given to, well – Israel.

Trying to read the Church into these festivals is like trying to see the Church in Matthew 24 and 25… just not there.

 

I only say this things for your edification, that your joy may be full.

 

I don’t wish to hurt anyone’s walk, but it seems of late a certain ‘Replacement’ influence has crept in (and this is heresy) …and the resultant confusion is starting to spread.

 

Prayerfully looking for our Blessed Hope…

Steven

Palm Harbor, FLA