From: Marilyn Agee
Hi:
> > "To Marilyn Agee: I respectfully
disagree with your study of Christ's Conception and Birth
> > Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study
from two different
perspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify
Christ's conception
and birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created
calendar going back
to "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the
calendar was skewed.
It is www.torahcalendar.com
and they have retraced the data and it verifies that
Jesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the
www.bethlehemstar.net data, it
ties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And
then he shows from
there that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the
wise men found him on
Christmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar,
this day of Christmas
was the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving
Jesus gifts as He is
in the center of the lampstands (menorah).
Thanks so MUCH for the link to the Torah Calendar. It
inspired me to make new chart using it and a few other
sources. This is my most accurate chart yet,
inspired by you.
Of course, you can believe what you want. Our salvation
does not depend on understanding these dates correctly.
However, I disagree on Jesus being conceived on 9/11 3 BC
and his being born on 6/17 2 BC. You will see why in this
new chart. There are a lot of things we should take into
consideration.
DATES OF JESUS'
CONCEPTION, BIRTH, AND CRUCIFIXION
MAJOR CLUE
Luk
3:1,23: "in the fifteenth year of the reign of
Tiberius Caesar...
Jesus
himself began to be about thirty years of age"
BACKGROUND
31 BC, SEPT 2, BATTLE OF ACTIUM. "Octavian's victory enabled
him to consolidate his power over Rome and its
dominions. To that end, he adopted the title of Princeps ("first
citizen") and some years after the victory was awarded
the title of Augustus by the
Roman Senate. This became the name by which he was
known in later times. As Augustus, he would retain the
trappings of a restored Republican leader; however,
historians generally view this consolidation of power
and the adoption of these honorifics as the end of the
Roman Republic and the
beginning of the Roman Empire."
"Octavian's
victory at the Battle of Actium gave him sole and
uncontested control of "Mare Nostrum" (Our Sea i.e. the
Roman Mediterannean) and he became "Augustus Caesar" and
the "first citizen" of Rome. This victory, consolidating
his power over every Roman institution, marked the
transition of Rome from Republic to Empire. Egypt's
final surrender following Cleopatra's death also marks
the final demise of both the Hellenistic
Period and the Ptolemaic
Kingdom." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium)
"In
the eighteenth year of his reign (20–19 BC), Herod
rebuilt the Second Temple in Jerusalem on "a more magnificent scale".[2]
The new Temple was finished in a year and a half,
although work on out-buildings and courts continued
another eighty years. To comply with religious law,
Herod employed a thousand priests as masons and
carpenters for the rebuilding. The finished temple,
which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, is often referred to as Herod's Temple." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_architecture)
"On the
death of Lepidus (12 BC), the failed third Triumvir, who
had been shunted aside with the conciliatory position of
pontifex maximus, Augustus assumed that highest
of all religious positions for himself.
"Perhaps
the highest point came in 2 BC when the senate granted
Augustus a new honour. He was henceforth pater
patriae, the father of the country." (http://www.roman-empire.net/emperors/augustus.html)
Josephus,
Ant.XV. XI. 1,5-7: "Herod, in the EIGHTEENTH YEAR
(i.e., 20 BC) of his reign, and after the acts already
mentioned, undertook a very great work, that is, TO
BUILD OF HIMSELF THE TEMPLE OF GOD, and make it larger
in compass...he took care of the cloisters and the
outer enclosures; and these he built in eight years.
But THE TEMPLE ITSELF WAS BUILT BY THE PRIESTS IN A
YEAR AND SIX MONTHS...It is also reported, that during
the time that the temple was building, IT DID NOT RAIN
IN THE DAY TIME, but that the showers fell in the
nights, so that the work was not hindered".
CALENDAR OF
EVENTS
BC YEARS
21 BC, 17th (3742) Caesar made
Herod procurator of all Syria in the 10th year after 1st
games at Actium
20 BC, Temple construction began,
building materials assembled.
19 BC, 1st year of Temple
construction, the temple proper was finished in 1.5
years, construction of other things on the Temple Mount
had taken 46 years by 27 AD
18 BC, 2nd year of Temple
construction
17 BC, 3rd year of Temple
construction
16 BC, 4th year of Temple
construction
15 BC, 5th year of Temple
construction
14 BC, 6th year of Temple
construction
13 BC, 7th year of Temple
construction
12 BC, 8th year of Temple
construction
11 BC, 9th year of Temple
construction
10 BC, 10th year of Temple
construction
9 BC, 11th year of Temple
construction
8 BC, 12th year of Temple
construction
SIGNS IN THE SKY
THREE HEAVENS
According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand
in the Temple represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth,
Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Our 3 heavens are Mars, Jupiter
and Saturn.
Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven, Saturn (Paradise)
(II Cor 12:2-4)
7 BC, 13th year of Temple
construction, THE TRIPLE CONJUNCTIONS OF JUPITER AND
SATURN (known as "Protector of the Jews") COULD HAVE
BEEN THE REASON HEROD KILLED BABIES UNDER 2 YEARS OLD IN
BETHLEHEM in BC 5
6 BC, 14th year of Temple
construction, Febuary 25, Earth's 3 heavens, 1. Mars, 2.
Jupiter and 3. Saturn , came to within 8 degrees of each
other in PISCES (this only happens every 800 yrs).
--6 BC, Wed, 15 Sep, Julian:
1,453,673
JESUS' CONCEPTION
--6
BC, Mon 6 Dec, Julian: 1,453,755, Kislev 24, 3751
(385 day yr), 14th year of Temple construction.
Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider (sum labab, take it to
heart) now from this day and upward, from the four and
twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that
the foundation (JESUS, 1Co 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was
laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (zera, seed or child)
yet in the barn? (a saying, meaning is she pregnant) yea
(i.e., YES, Jesus was conceived), as yet the vine (Jesus),
and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (meaning
upright), and the olive tree (Israel with the Gentiles
grafted in), hath not brought forth (NASA, lifted up):
from (min, after) this day will I bless you" (i.e., Jesus
was conceived on Kislev 24, and the Rapture will be after
that Kislev 24).
1Co_3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay
than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."
THIS NOVA
HERALDED THE BIRTH OF JESUS AND PROBABLY MADE THE WISE
MEN START THEIR TRIP
5 BC, A NOVA, MEANING "NEW STAR,"
ACTUALLY AN EXPLODING STAR, WAS SEEN IN CAPRICORN. It
probably was what the wise men had been watching for.
The Chinese recorded it, it was
seen close to Alpha and Beta Capricornii March 10, and
was visible 70 days. JESUS' death and resurrection are
pictured in CAPRICORNUS. The Lord named the stars. The
2nd brightest star is DENEB AL GEDI, meaning THE LORD, OR SACRIFICE, COMETH.
THE LORD "SHALL COME UNTO
US AS THE RAIN"
Hos. 6:3 says, "he shall COME
UNTO US AS THE RAIN, as the latter and former rain unto
the earth."
His
First Advent is as the Former Rain in Israel, Tishri
1, the Feast of Trumpets that begins their Civil
Year when
the sun is in VIRGO. His Second Advent is as the Latter Rain,
Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year in
the spring (Eze, 29:17,21), when the sun is in ARIES
(March 21 to April 20), the LAMB pictures Jesus as the
Lamb of the tribe of Judah. Aries means battle strife.
The brightest star is El Natik, the wounded or slain.
Second brightest is Al Sheratan, meaning the bruised.
At the time of
the Crucifixion, the unnatural darkness may have been
to give the people a vivid view of Aries. Those 2
stars would have stood out.
--5 BC, Another Nova was also
seen near the star Altair, meaning the flier or flying
(eagle)
JESUS' BIRTH
--5 BC, March 25, Julian 1,453,865, Feast of
Firstfruits, John the Baptist born
--5 BC, MON 4 SEP, JESUS BORN,
Julian: 1,454,028, Tishri 1, 3752, Feast of
Trumpets (354 day yr), (SABBATIC YEAR)
(273-day gestation), 15th year of Temple construction
SIGN OF REV 12 WAS IN THE
SKY, VIRGO WAS CLOTHED WITH THE SUN (i.e., the Sun was
in Virgo) AND THE MOON WAS UNDER HER FEET
--5 BC, 15th year of Temple
construction
--5 BC, Sat 25 Nov, Julian:
1,454,110, Kislev 24, 3753 (355 day yr)
--5 BC, Josephus (Ant. XVII, ii,
4) event: 'when all the people of the Jews gave
assurance of their goodwill to Caesar, and to the king's
government, these very men [the Pharisees] did not
swear, being above six thousand.' From the context of
these words in Josephus, this census of
allegiance to Caesar Augustus occurred ABOUT ONE YEAR
BEFORE THE DEATH OF HEROD THE GREAT
4 BC, 16th year of Temple
construction, Herod died between eclipse of Mar. 13 (Adar
25, 3755) and Passover (no other eclipse is
possible, because Esther's fast of Adar 13 did not
precede them (Josephus Ant. XVII. VI. 4,5; Ant XVII.
VIII.1)
Ant.
XVII. vi. 4: "Now Now it happened, that during the
time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there
was another person made high priest for a single day,
that very day which the Jews observe as A FAST (i.e.,
Esther's Fast, Nisan 13). The occasion was this:--This
Matthias the high priest, ON THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT DAY
WHEN THE FAST WAS TO BE CELEBRATED, seemed, in a
dream, to have conversation with his wife; and because
he could not officiate himself on that account,
Joseph, the son of Ellemus, his kinsman, assisted him
in that sacred office. But Herod deprived this
Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other
Matthias, who had raised the sedition (i.e., over the
eagle Herod placed at the temple), with his
companions, alive. AND THAT
VERY NIGHT THERE WAS AN ECLIPSE OF THE MOON."
(i.e., March 13, 4 BC).
Ant.,
XVII, viii, 1: Herod "died, the fifth day after he had
caused Antipater to be slain; having reigned, since he
had procured Antigonus to be slain, thirty-four years;
but since he had been declared king by the Romans,
thirty-seven."
Wars. I. 33. 8: "So Herod, having survived the slaughter of his son five days, died, having reigned THIRTY FOUR YEARS, since he had caused Antigonus to be slain, and obtained his kingdom; but THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS SINCE HE HAD BEEN MADE KING by the Romans."
Wars. I. 33. 8: "So Herod, having survived the slaughter of his son five days, died, having reigned THIRTY FOUR YEARS, since he had caused Antigonus to be slain, and obtained his kingdom; but THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS SINCE HE HAD BEEN MADE KING by the Romans."
Wars.
II. I. 1,3: "Now the necessity which Archelaus was
under of taking a journey to Rome was the occasion of
new disturbances; for when he had mourned for his
father seven says, and had given a very expensive
funeral feast...at the FEAST
OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, WHICH WAS NOW
AT HAND, AND IS BY THE JEWS CALLED
THE PASSOVER" (i.e., they ate unleavened bread
on Passover).
Fred
Espenak, at NASA, listed the Lunar Eclipse as March 13, 4 BC.
The correlation is perfect. YourSky
shows that March 13, 4 BC was the day of the Full Moon
in Virgo. That is necessary for there to be a Lunar
Eclipse.
Josephus
Ant. XVII. VIII. 4 says, "Now
Archelaus paid him so much respect, as to continue
his mourning till the seventh day;
for so many days are appointed for it by the law of our
fathers; and when he had given a treat to the multitude,
and LEFT OFF HIS MOURNING,
he went up into the temple...and took his seat, in a
throne made of gold". He
left for Rome to get his kingship confirmed between
Unleavened Bread and Pentecost.
"SOLAR AND
LUNAR ECLIPSES OF THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST, by M. Kudler by
Neukirchen-Bluyn:Verias Butson and Bercker Kevelaer...
lunar eclipses: 7 B.C. - No eclipses 6 B.C. - No
eclipses 5 B.C. - Total eclipse, March 23 at 8:30 p.m. 5
B.C. - Total eclipse, September 15 at 10:30 p.m.
--4 B.C. - Partial
eclipse, March 13 at 2:20 a.m. (3 B.C. - No
eclipses) (2 B.C. - No
eclipses)
"During the last years of
Augustus' reign, ".....the consuls caused a law to
be passed.....that he (Tiberius) should govern the
province jointly with Augustus
and hold the census with him"
(Seutonius Ed. J. C. Rolfe, LCL, 1, p.323). Tiberius began his co-rulership
with Augustus in A.D. 12.This means that the 15th
year of Tiberius was A.D. 26. There was a two year
co-regency from A.D. 12 to A.D. 14"
COINS TELL THE TRUE STORY
http://members.aol.com/JOSEPHUS/coins.htm
Herod the Great (ruled 37 BCE - 4 BCE)
Herod the Great (ruled 37 BCE - 4 BCE)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_coinage
"Herod Archelaus (ruled 4 BCE - 6 CE)"
"Herod Archelaus (ruled 4 BCE - 6 CE)"
"Herod Antipas (ruled 4 BC–39 AD)"
"Herod Philip II (ruled 4 BC–34 AD)"
"The coins of Herod Philip II are mostly bronze of
middle-size. He was the first Jewish ruler to put portraits of
himself and the Roman Emperors on his coinage. An early issue
has a portrait of the Emperor Augustus, with the Greek inscription 'KAICAPI CEBACTΩ' on
the obverse, and 'ΦΙΛΙΠΠΌΎ ΤΕΤΡΆΡΧΌΎ' on the reverse.
Later coins depicted Tiberius on the obverse, with the
inscription 'TIBEPIOΣ ΣEBAΣ', and 'ΦΙΛΙΠΠΌΎ ΤΕΤΡΆΡΧΌΎ'
on the reverse. Both types had the facade of a
four-columned temple on the reverse, possibly the Temple in Jerusalem. The coins are dated according
to the year of the Emperor's reign."
Josephus: Herod died shortly
after a Lunar eclipse (Ant. XVII. VI. 4), but prior to
Passover (Wars. II. I. 3.)
Choice
of 3 eclipses: total on Mar 23rd, 5 BC, partial on
Mar 13th, 4 BC,
total Jan 10th, 1 BC
--4 BC, Sat 23 Sep, Julian:
1,454,412, Tishri 1, 3754, 16th year of Temple
construction, NO SIGN
of Rev 12 in the sky
--4 BC, Fri 14 Dec, Julian:
1,454,494, Kislev 24, 3755, Jesus 1
3 BC, Thu 12 Sept, Julian
1,454,766, Tishri 1, 3756, 17th year of Temple
construction, NO SIGN
of Rev 12 in the sky
--3 BC, Wed 4 Dec, Julian:
1,454,849, Kislev 24, 3757, Jesus 2
2 BC, Wed 1 Oct, Julian:
1,455,150, Tishri 1, 3758, 18th year of Temple
construction, NO SIGN
of Rev 12 in the sky
--2 BC, Tue 22 Dec, Julian:
1,455,232, Kislev 24, 3759, (Sabbatic Year) Jesus
3
1 BC, Sun 19 Sep, Julian:
1,455,504, Tishri 1, 3760, 19th year of Temple
construction, NO SIGN
of Rev 12 in the sky
-- 1 BC, Fri 10 Dec, Julian:
1,455,586, Kislev 24, 3761, Jesus 4
AD YEARS
1 AD, Tishri 1, 3762, 20th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 5
2 AD, Tishri 1, 3763, 21st year
of Temple construction, Jesus 6
3 AD, Tishri 1, 3764, 22nd year
of Temple construction, Jesus 7
4 AD, Tishri 1, 3765, 23rd year
of Temple construction, Jesus 8
5 AD, Tishri 1, 3766, (Sabbatic
Year) 24th
year of Temple construction, Jesus 9
6 AD, Tishri 1, 3767, 25th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 10 (Sabbatic
Year) 37th year since Battle
of Actium, when the taxings (on
Sept 2, anniversary of Actium) concluded
7 AD, Tishri 1, 3768, 26th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 11
8 AD, Tishri 1, 3769, 27th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 12
9 AD, Tishri 1, 3770, 28th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 13
10 AD, Tishri 1, 3771, 29th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 14
11 AD, Tishri 1, 3772, 30th year
of Temple construction, Jesus 15
1ST YEAR OF TIBERIUS' RULE AS
CO-REX, 12 AD
This coin has head of Tiberius on one side and head of
Augustus on the other side. It was minted in 13 AD
12 AD, Tishri 1, 3773, (Sabbatic
Year) 1ST YEAR OF
TIBERIUS, CO-REX WITH AUGUSTUS, Jesus
16, 31st year of Temple construction
13 AD, Tishri 1, 3774, 2nd year
of Tiberius, Co-Rex with Augustus, , Jesus 17,
coin with heads of Augustus and Tiberius, 32nd year of
Temple construction
14 AD, Tishri 1, 3775, 3rd year
of Tiberius, Sole-Rex, Augustus died, Jesus 18,
33rd year of Temple construction
15 AD, Tishri 1, 3776, 4th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 19, 34th year of Temple
construction
16 AD, Tishri 1, 3777, 5th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 20, 35th year of Temple
construction
17 AD, Tishri 1, 3778, 6th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 21, 36th year of
Temple construction
18 AD, Tishri 1, 3779, 7th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 22, 37th year of Temple
construction
19 AD, Tishri 1, 3780, 8th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 23, 38th yr of Temple
construction (Sabbatic Year)
20 AD, Tishri 1, 3781, 9th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 24, 39th year of
Temple construction
21 AD, Tishri 1, 3782, 10th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 25, 40th year of Temple
construction
22 AD, Tishri 1, 3783, 11th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 26, 41st year of
Temple construction
23 AD, Tishri 1, 3784, 12th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 27, 42nd year of
Temple construction
24 AD, Tishri 1, 3785, 13th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 28, 43rd year of
Temple construction
25 AD, Tishri 1, 3786, 14th yr of
Tiberius, Jesus 29, 44th year of
Temple construction
JESUS ANNOUNCED THE COMING
JUBILEE YEAR WHEN HE READ FROM ISA 61:1,2 ON THE SABBATH
DAY NEAR HIS BIRTHDAY IN THE SABBATIC YEAR 3787
Luk 3:1,22,23 "in the fifteenth
year of the reign of Tiberius...Jesus also being
baptized... Jesus himself began to be about thirty years
of age"
26 AD, 15th year of Tiberius,
Jesus baptized near Tishri 1, 45th
yr of Temple construction
--Mon 2 Sep, Julian 1,464,983, Tishri 1, 3787 (SABBATIC YEAR), Jesus 30, when
priests begin ministry
--Sat 7 Sep, Julian 1,464,988,
Tishri 6, 3787,
Jesus announced the coming JUBILEE YEAR
Isa 61:1,2, Jesus said, "The
Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath
anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he
hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim
liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison
to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable
(ratson, favour, from ratsah, pardon, i.e., the Jubilee)
year of the LORD"
JUBILEE YEAR
27 AD, 28 Mar, Julian 1,465,190,
Nisan 1, 3788, JUBILEE YEAR began
--10 Apr, Julian 1,465,203, Nisan
14, 3787, 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry,
John 2:13
--Sun 21 Sep, Julian: 1,465,367,
Tishri 1, 3788, 46th year of Temple
construction
28 AD, Nisan 14, 3788,
2nd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 5:1
29 AD, Mon 18 Apr, Julian
1,465,942, Nisan 14, 3789, 3rd Passover of
Jesus' ministry, John 6:4
CRUCIFIXION
30 AD, Thu 6 Apr, Julian
(1,466,295), Nisan 13, 3790 (354 day) Preparation Day
for 4th Passover of Jesus’ ministry
(John 12:1), 1st day, orig. Fast of (Esther 4:16) (our
son David Agee's birthday)
--Fri 7 Apr, Julian: 1,466,296,
Nisan 14, 3790, Passover, 2nd day, orig. Fast of Esther
--Sat 8 Apr, Julian: 1,466,297,
Nisan 15, 3790, Unleavened Bread, 3rd day, orig. Fast of
Esther, Israel left Rameses
--Sun 9 Apr, Julian: 1,466,298,
Nisan 16, 3790, Firstfruits, Annual Sabbath, Jesus'
Resurrection
--Sun 28 May, Julian: 1,466.347,
Sivan 6, Pentecost, counting Omer 1 on Firstfruits
--Mon 29 May, Julian: 1455.348,
Sivan 7, Feast of Weeks, counting Omer 1 on day after
Firstfruits (our daughter Carol Agee's birthday)
Agape,
Marilyn Agee
mjagee@verizon.net
prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com
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Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study from two
different
perspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify
Christ's conception
and birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created
calendar going back
to "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the
calendar was skewed. It is
www.torahcalendar.com and they have retraced the data
and it verifies that
Jesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the
www.bethlehemstar.net data, it
ties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And
then he shows from
there that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the
wise men found him on
Christmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar,
this day of Christmas
was the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving
Jesus gifts as He is
in the center of the lampstands (menorah).
I also find that Jesus as He was born in June (live
birth...Jews believe
that the birth date is really their conception date
however) is that his
birthstone is Pearl. And in the Bible Jesus says that
He is the door. And I
find interesting that there is a large Pearl at each of
the 12 gates in
Heaven.
This is where I am getting my data, and since we are
coming from two
different perspectives, our data will never converge. I
respect your thesis
on Jesus conception and birth, but I am not in
agreement as I try to find
scientific evidence to support what I believe and then
tie it back to
scripture. The man at Bethlehemstar.net shows that most
scholars get the
conception and birth of Jesus wrong because they did
not tie back key data
relating to Herod and the writings of Josephus. I
purchased his video and
watched it.
FAIR USE FOR EDUCATIONAL AND DISCUSSION PURPOSES
CANCEL CHRISTMAS: SCIENTISTS SAY JESUS BORN JUNE 17TH
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1093053/Cancel-Christmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.html
www.torahcalendar.comTORAH CALENDAR
The Star of Bethlehem Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsuekXMYLkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xw3ZUf1714
