From: Marilyn AgeeHi:> > "To Marilyn Agee: I respectfully disagree with your study of Christ's Conception and Birth> > Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study from two differentperspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify Christ's conceptionand birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created calendar going backto "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the calendar was skewed.It is www.torahcalendar.com and they have retraced the data and it verifies thatJesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the www.bethlehemstar.net data, itties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And then he shows fromthere that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the wise men found him onChristmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar, this day of Christmaswas the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving Jesus gifts as He isin the center of the lampstands (menorah).Thanks so MUCH for the link to the Torah Calendar. It inspired me to make new chart using it and a few other sources. This is my most accurate chart yet, inspired by you.Of course, you can believe what you want. Our salvation does not depend on understanding these dates correctly. However, I disagree on Jesus being conceived on 9/11 3 BC and his being born on 6/17 2 BC. You will see why in this new chart. There are a lot of things we should take into consideration.DATES OF JESUS' CONCEPTION, BIRTH, AND CRUCIFIXIONMAJOR CLUELuk 3:1,23: "in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar...Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age"BACKGROUND31 BC, SEPT 2, BATTLE OF ACTIUM. "Octavian's victory enabled him to consolidate his power over Rome and its dominions. To that end, he adopted the title of Princeps ("first citizen") and some years after the victory was awarded the title of Augustus by the Roman Senate. This became the name by which he was known in later times. As Augustus, he would retain the trappings of a restored Republican leader; however, historians generally view this consolidation of power and the adoption of these honorifics as the end of the Roman Republic and the beginning of the Roman Empire.""Octavian's victory at the Battle of Actium gave him sole and uncontested control of "Mare Nostrum" (Our Sea i.e. the Roman Mediterannean) and he became "Augustus Caesar" and the "first citizen" of Rome. This victory, consolidating his power over every Roman institution, marked the transition of Rome from Republic to Empire. Egypt's final surrender following Cleopatra's death also marks the final demise of both the Hellenistic Period and the Ptolemaic Kingdom." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Actium)"In the eighteenth year of his reign (20–19 BC), Herod rebuilt the Second Temple in Jerusalem on "a more magnificent scale". The new Temple was finished in a year and a half, although work on out-buildings and courts continued another eighty years. To comply with religious law, Herod employed a thousand priests as masons and carpenters for the rebuilding. The finished temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, is often referred to as Herod's Temple." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_architecture)"On the death of Lepidus (12 BC), the failed third Triumvir, who had been shunted aside with the conciliatory position of pontifex maximus, Augustus assumed that highest of all religious positions for himself."Perhaps the highest point came in 2 BC when the senate granted Augustus a new honour. He was henceforth pater patriae, the father of the country." (http://www.roman-empire.net/emperors/augustus.html)Josephus, Ant.XV. XI. 1,5-7: "Herod, in the EIGHTEENTH YEAR (i.e., 20 BC) of his reign, and after the acts already mentioned, undertook a very great work, that is, TO BUILD OF HIMSELF THE TEMPLE OF GOD, and make it larger in compass...he took care of the cloisters and the outer enclosures; and these he built in eight years. But THE TEMPLE ITSELF WAS BUILT BY THE PRIESTS IN A YEAR AND SIX MONTHS...It is also reported, that during the time that the temple was building, IT DID NOT RAIN IN THE DAY TIME, but that the showers fell in the nights, so that the work was not hindered".CALENDAR OF EVENTSBC YEARS21 BC, 17th (3742) Caesar made Herod procurator of all Syria in the 10th year after 1st games at Actium20 BC, Temple construction began, building materials assembled.19 BC, 1st year of Temple construction, the temple proper was finished in 1.5 years, construction of other things on the Temple Mount had taken 46 years by 27 AD18 BC, 2nd year of Temple construction17 BC, 3rd year of Temple construction16 BC, 4th year of Temple construction15 BC, 5th year of Temple construction14 BC, 6th year of Temple construction13 BC, 7th year of Temple construction12 BC, 8th year of Temple construction11 BC, 9th year of Temple construction10 BC, 10th year of Temple construction9 BC, 11th year of Temple construction8 BC, 12th year of Temple constructionSIGNS IN THE SKYTHREE HEAVENSAccording to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the lampstand in the Temple represented the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Our 3 heavens are Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.Paul was caught up to the 3rd Heaven, Saturn (Paradise) (II Cor 12:2-4)7 BC, 13th year of Temple construction, THE TRIPLE CONJUNCTIONS OF JUPITER AND SATURN (known as "Protector of the Jews") COULD HAVE BEEN THE REASON HEROD KILLED BABIES UNDER 2 YEARS OLD IN BETHLEHEM in BC 56 BC, 14th year of Temple construction, Febuary 25, Earth's 3 heavens, 1. Mars, 2. Jupiter and 3. Saturn , came to within 8 degrees of each other in PISCES (this only happens every 800 yrs).--6 BC, Wed, 15 Sep, Julian: 1,453,673JESUS' CONCEPTION--6 BC, Mon 6 Dec, Julian: 1,453,755, Kislev 24, 3751 (385 day yr), 14th year of Temple construction.Hag 2:18,19 says, "Consider (sum labab, take it to heart) now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month, even from the day that the foundation (JESUS, 1Co 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. 19 Is the seed (zera, seed or child) yet in the barn? (a saying, meaning is she pregnant) yea (i.e., YES, Jesus was conceived), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (meaning upright), and the olive tree (Israel with the Gentiles grafted in), hath not brought forth (NASA, lifted up): from (min, after) this day will I bless you" (i.e., Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24, and the Rapture will be after that Kislev 24).1Co_3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."THIS NOVA HERALDED THE BIRTH OF JESUS AND PROBABLY MADE THE WISE MEN START THEIR TRIP5 BC, A NOVA, MEANING "NEW STAR," ACTUALLY AN EXPLODING STAR, WAS SEEN IN CAPRICORN. It probably was what the wise men had been watching for.The Chinese recorded it, it was seen close to Alpha and Beta Capricornii March 10, and was visible 70 days. JESUS' death and resurrection are pictured in CAPRICORNUS. The Lord named the stars. The 2nd brightest star is DENEB AL GEDI, meaning THE LORD, OR SACRIFICE, COMETH.THE LORD "SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN"Hos. 6:3 says, "he shall COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."His First Advent is as the Former Rain in Israel, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets that begins their Civil Year when the sun is in VIRGO. His Second Advent is as the Latter Rain, Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year in the spring (Eze, 29:17,21), when the sun is in ARIES (March 21 to April 20), the LAMB pictures Jesus as the Lamb of the tribe of Judah. Aries means battle strife. The brightest star is El Natik, the wounded or slain. Second brightest is Al Sheratan, meaning the bruised.At the time of the Crucifixion, the unnatural darkness may have been to give the people a vivid view of Aries. Those 2 stars would have stood out.
--5 BC, Another Nova was also seen near the star Altair, meaning the flier or flying (eagle)JESUS' BIRTH--5 BC, March 25, Julian 1,453,865, Feast of Firstfruits, John the Baptist born--5 BC, MON 4 SEP, JESUS BORN, Julian: 1,454,028, Tishri 1, 3752, Feast of Trumpets (354 day yr), (SABBATIC YEAR) (273-day gestation), 15th year of Temple constructionSIGN OF REV 12 WAS IN THE SKY, VIRGO WAS CLOTHED WITH THE SUN (i.e., the Sun was in Virgo) AND THE MOON WAS UNDER HER FEET--5 BC, 15th year of Temple construction--5 BC, Sat 25 Nov, Julian: 1,454,110, Kislev 24, 3753 (355 day yr)--5 BC, Josephus (Ant. XVII, ii, 4) event: 'when all the people of the Jews gave assurance of their goodwill to Caesar, and to the king's government, these very men [the Pharisees] did not swear, being above six thousand.' From the context of these words in Josephus, this census of allegiance to Caesar Augustus occurred ABOUT ONE YEAR BEFORE THE DEATH OF HEROD THE GREAT4 BC, 16th year of Temple construction, Herod died between eclipse of Mar. 13 (Adar 25, 3755) and Passover (no other eclipse is possible, because Esther's fast of Adar 13 did not precede them (Josephus Ant. XVII. VI. 4,5; Ant XVII. VIII.1)Ant. XVII. vi. 4: "Now Now it happened, that during the time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there was another person made high priest for a single day, that very day which the Jews observe as A FAST (i.e., Esther's Fast, Nisan 13). The occasion was this:--This Matthias the high priest, ON THE NIGHT BEFORE THAT DAY WHEN THE FAST WAS TO BE CELEBRATED, seemed, in a dream, to have conversation with his wife; and because he could not officiate himself on that account, Joseph, the son of Ellemus, his kinsman, assisted him in that sacred office. But Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition (i.e., over the eagle Herod placed at the temple), with his companions, alive. AND THAT VERY NIGHT THERE WAS AN ECLIPSE OF THE MOON." (i.e., March 13, 4 BC).Ant., XVII, viii, 1: Herod "died, the fifth day after he had caused Antipater to be slain; having reigned, since he had procured Antigonus to be slain, thirty-four years; but since he had been declared king by the Romans, thirty-seven."
Wars. I. 33. 8: "So Herod, having survived the slaughter of his son five days, died, having reigned THIRTY FOUR YEARS, since he had caused Antigonus to be slain, and obtained his kingdom; but THIRTY-SEVEN YEARS SINCE HE HAD BEEN MADE KING by the Romans."Wars. II. I. 1,3: "Now the necessity which Archelaus was under of taking a journey to Rome was the occasion of new disturbances; for when he had mourned for his father seven says, and had given a very expensive funeral feast...at the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, WHICH WAS NOW AT HAND, AND IS BY THE JEWS CALLED THE PASSOVER" (i.e., they ate unleavened bread on Passover).Fred Espenak, at NASA, listed the Lunar Eclipse as March 13, 4 BC. The correlation is perfect. YourSky shows that March 13, 4 BC was the day of the Full Moon in Virgo. That is necessary for there to be a Lunar Eclipse.Josephus Ant. XVII. VIII. 4 says, "Now Archelaus paid him so much respect, as to continue his mourning till the seventh day; for so many days are appointed for it by the law of our fathers; and when he had given a treat to the multitude, and LEFT OFF HIS MOURNING, he went up into the temple...and took his seat, in a throne made of gold". He left for Rome to get his kingship confirmed between Unleavened Bread and Pentecost."SOLAR AND LUNAR ECLIPSES OF THE ANCIENT NEAR EAST, by M. Kudler by Neukirchen-Bluyn:Verias Butson and Bercker Kevelaer... lunar eclipses: 7 B.C. - No eclipses 6 B.C. - No eclipses 5 B.C. - Total eclipse, March 23 at 8:30 p.m. 5 B.C. - Total eclipse, September 15 at 10:30 p.m.--4 B.C. - Partial eclipse, March 13 at 2:20 a.m. (3 B.C. - No eclipses) (2 B.C. - No eclipses)"During the last years of Augustus' reign, ".....the consuls caused a law to be passed.....that he (Tiberius) should govern the province jointly with Augustus and hold the census with him" (Seutonius Ed. J. C. Rolfe, LCL, 1, p.323). Tiberius began his co-rulership with Augustus in A.D. 12.This means that the 15th year of Tiberius was A.D. 26. There was a two year co-regency from A.D. 12 to A.D. 14"COINS TELL THE TRUE STORYhttp://members.aol.com/JOSEPHUS/coins.htm
Herod the Great (ruled 37 BCE - 4 BCE)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodian_coinage
"Herod Archelaus (ruled 4 BCE - 6 CE)""Herod Antipas (ruled 4 BC–39 AD)""Herod Philip II (ruled 4 BC–34 AD)""The coins of Herod Philip II are mostly bronze of middle-size. He was the first Jewish ruler to put portraits of himself and the Roman Emperors on his coinage. An early issue has a portrait of the Emperor Augustus, with the Greek inscription 'KAICAPI CEBACTΩ' on the obverse, and 'ΦΙΛΙΠΠΌΎ ΤΕΤΡΆΡΧΌΎ' on the reverse. Later coins depicted Tiberius on the obverse, with the inscription 'TIBEPIOΣ ΣEBAΣ', and 'ΦΙΛΙΠΠΌΎ ΤΕΤΡΆΡΧΌΎ' on the reverse. Both types had the facade of a four-columned temple on the reverse, possibly the Temple in Jerusalem. The coins are dated according to the year of the Emperor's reign."
Josephus: Herod died shortly after a Lunar eclipse (Ant. XVII. VI. 4), but prior to Passover (Wars. II. I. 3.)Choice of 3 eclipses: total on Mar 23rd, 5 BC, partial on Mar 13th, 4 BC, total Jan 10th, 1 BC--4 BC, Sat 23 Sep, Julian: 1,454,412, Tishri 1, 3754, 16th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky--4 BC, Fri 14 Dec, Julian: 1,454,494, Kislev 24, 3755, Jesus 13 BC, Thu 12 Sept, Julian 1,454,766, Tishri 1, 3756, 17th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky--3 BC, Wed 4 Dec, Julian: 1,454,849, Kislev 24, 3757, Jesus 22 BC, Wed 1 Oct, Julian: 1,455,150, Tishri 1, 3758, 18th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky--2 BC, Tue 22 Dec, Julian: 1,455,232, Kislev 24, 3759, (Sabbatic Year) Jesus 31 BC, Sun 19 Sep, Julian: 1,455,504, Tishri 1, 3760, 19th year of Temple construction, NO SIGN of Rev 12 in the sky-- 1 BC, Fri 10 Dec, Julian: 1,455,586, Kislev 24, 3761, Jesus 4AD YEARS1 AD, Tishri 1, 3762, 20th year of Temple construction, Jesus 52 AD, Tishri 1, 3763, 21st year of Temple construction, Jesus 63 AD, Tishri 1, 3764, 22nd year of Temple construction, Jesus 74 AD, Tishri 1, 3765, 23rd year of Temple construction, Jesus 85 AD, Tishri 1, 3766, (Sabbatic Year) 24th year of Temple construction, Jesus 96 AD, Tishri 1, 3767, 25th year of Temple construction, Jesus 10 (Sabbatic Year) 37th year since Battleof Actium, when the taxings (on Sept 2, anniversary of Actium) concluded7 AD, Tishri 1, 3768, 26th year of Temple construction, Jesus 118 AD, Tishri 1, 3769, 27th year of Temple construction, Jesus 129 AD, Tishri 1, 3770, 28th year of Temple construction, Jesus 1310 AD, Tishri 1, 3771, 29th year of Temple construction, Jesus 1411 AD, Tishri 1, 3772, 30th year of Temple construction, Jesus 151ST YEAR OF TIBERIUS' RULE AS CO-REX, 12 ADThis coin has head of Tiberius on one side and head of Augustus on the other side. It was minted in 13 AD"From A.D. 4 to 14 Tiberius was clearly Augustus's successor. When he was adopted, he also received grants of proconsular power and tribunician power; and in A.D. 13 his proconsular power was made co-extensive with that of Augustus. [] In effect, Tiberius was now co-princeps with Augustus so that when the latter finally died on 19 August A.D. 14, Tiberius's position was unassailable and the continuation of the Principate a foregone conclusion. After 55 years living at the behest of his stepfather, Tiberius finally assumed the mantle of sole power." (http://www.roman-emperors.org/tiberius.htm)
12 AD, Tishri 1, 3773, (Sabbatic Year) 1ST YEAR OF TIBERIUS, CO-REX WITH AUGUSTUS, Jesus 16, 31st year of Temple construction13 AD, Tishri 1, 3774, 2nd year of Tiberius, Co-Rex with Augustus, , Jesus 17, coin with heads of Augustus and Tiberius, 32nd year of Temple construction14 AD, Tishri 1, 3775, 3rd year of Tiberius, Sole-Rex, Augustus died, Jesus 18, 33rd year of Temple construction15 AD, Tishri 1, 3776, 4th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 19, 34th year of Temple construction16 AD, Tishri 1, 3777, 5th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 20, 35th year of Temple construction17 AD, Tishri 1, 3778, 6th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 21, 36th year of Temple construction18 AD, Tishri 1, 3779, 7th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 22, 37th year of Temple construction19 AD, Tishri 1, 3780, 8th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 23, 38th yr of Temple construction (Sabbatic Year)20 AD, Tishri 1, 3781, 9th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 24, 39th year of Temple construction21 AD, Tishri 1, 3782, 10th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 25, 40th year of Temple construction22 AD, Tishri 1, 3783, 11th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 26, 41st year of Temple construction23 AD, Tishri 1, 3784, 12th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 27, 42nd year of Temple construction24 AD, Tishri 1, 3785, 13th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 28, 43rd year of Temple construction25 AD, Tishri 1, 3786, 14th yr of Tiberius, Jesus 29, 44th year of Temple constructionJESUS ANNOUNCED THE COMING JUBILEE YEAR WHEN HE READ FROM ISA 61:1,2 ON THE SABBATH DAY NEAR HIS BIRTHDAY IN THE SABBATIC YEAR 3787Luk 3:1,22,23 "in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius...Jesus also being baptized... Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age"26 AD, 15th year of Tiberius, Jesus baptized near Tishri 1, 45th yr of Temple construction--Mon 2 Sep, Julian 1,464,983, Tishri 1, 3787 (SABBATIC YEAR), Jesus 30, when priests begin ministry--Sat 7 Sep, Julian 1,464,988, Tishri 6, 3787, Jesus announced the coming JUBILEE YEARIsa 61:1,2, Jesus said, "The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; 2 To proclaim the acceptable (ratson, favour, from ratsah, pardon, i.e., the Jubilee) year of the LORD"JUBILEE YEAR27 AD, 28 Mar, Julian 1,465,190, Nisan 1, 3788, JUBILEE YEAR began--10 Apr, Julian 1,465,203, Nisan 14, 3787, 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 2:13--Sun 21 Sep, Julian: 1,465,367, Tishri 1, 3788, 46th year of Temple construction28 AD, Nisan 14, 3788, 2nd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 5:129 AD, Mon 18 Apr, Julian 1,465,942, Nisan 14, 3789, 3rd Passover of Jesus' ministry, John 6:4CRUCIFIXION30 AD, Thu 6 Apr, Julian (1,466,295), Nisan 13, 3790 (354 day) Preparation Day for 4th Passover of Jesus’ ministry (John 12:1), 1st day, orig. Fast of (Esther 4:16) (our son David Agee's birthday)--Fri 7 Apr, Julian: 1,466,296, Nisan 14, 3790, Passover, 2nd day, orig. Fast of Esther--Sat 8 Apr, Julian: 1,466,297, Nisan 15, 3790, Unleavened Bread, 3rd day, orig. Fast of Esther, Israel left Rameses--Sun 9 Apr, Julian: 1,466,298, Nisan 16, 3790, Firstfruits, Annual Sabbath, Jesus' Resurrection--Sun 28 May, Julian: 1,466.347, Sivan 6, Pentecost, counting Omer 1 on Firstfruits--Mon 29 May, Julian: 1455.348, Sivan 7, Feast of Weeks, counting Omer 1 on day after Firstfruits (our daughter Carol Agee's birthday)Agape,Marilyn Ageemjagee@verizon.netprophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Marilyn, You and I are coming from the study from two differentperspectives. I am using a scientific study to verify Christ's conceptionand birth. And this is from a scientifically re-created calendar going backto "fix" the error with the Hallel issue when the calendar was skewed. It iswww.torahcalendar.com and they have retraced the data and it verifies thatJesus was conceived on 9/11 3BC. Using the www.bethlehemstar.net data, itties to the torahcalendar of Christ's conception. And then he shows fromthere that Jesus live birth was on 6/17 2BC and the wise men found him onChristmas 12/25 2BC. Going back to the torah calendar, this day of Christmaswas the 4th day of Hanukkah and it ties to them giving Jesus gifts as He isin the center of the lampstands (menorah).I also find that Jesus as He was born in June (live birth...Jews believethat the birth date is really their conception date however) is that hisbirthstone is Pearl. And in the Bible Jesus says that He is the door. And Ifind interesting that there is a large Pearl at each of the 12 gates inHeaven.This is where I am getting my data, and since we are coming from twodifferent perspectives, our data will never converge. I respect your thesison Jesus conception and birth, but I am not in agreement as I try to findscientific evidence to support what I believe and then tie it back toscripture. The man at Bethlehemstar.net shows that most scholars get theconception and birth of Jesus wrong because they did not tie back key datarelating to Herod and the writings of Josephus. I purchased his video andwatched it.FAIR USE FOR EDUCATIONAL AND DISCUSSION PURPOSESCANCEL CHRISTMAS: SCIENTISTS SAY JESUS BORN JUNE 17THhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1093053/Cancel-Christmas--Jesus-born-June-17-say-scientists.htmlwww.torahcalendar.comTORAH CALENDARThe Star of Bethlehem Moviehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsuekXMYLkwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xw3ZUf1714