John B (20 Dec 2012)
"Gerlinda...... are there two Jesus's?.......and a no good rotten Catholic basher"

A couple of days ago I started to respond to you concerning the questions you had to the article I wrote titled "Who is He" and as I wrote I found myself going off on this tangent for an hour or so and realized that I was not really answering the questions you had raised. So I stopped what I was writing, started again and focused on your questions. But after re-reading the material I had written initially I decided to finish my thoughts by adding to that text. I felt these thoughts needed to be shared with others in the hope of enlightening anyone who may read it. So here is the start and the finish of the tangent I went off on.
Gerlinda, you indicated that you are a former Catholic and I have shared with Doves before that I am as well. I am in my 60's now and was a Catholic for over 40 of those years. I am not a non-Catholic Catholic basher..... but I was a Catholic that was steeped in Catholicism having been an altar boy and schooled in Catholic institutions. We were taught from a very young age that the Catholic Church was the only true church and the only way to get to heaven was through it. We were taught to not even go into other churches because they were all false religions. My parents, grandparents, great grandparents, friends and relatives were all Catholic so I assumed and concluded that there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the
Catholic religion or my ancestry of relatives would have discovered it and fled the church. So I spent many years completely unbendable in my faith and I shunned anyone who tried to minister to me against it.........just like I was taught to.
Flash forward 40 years.........
My wife is not Catholic and secretly prayed for many years that God would put someone or something in my path that would crack the Catholic barrier so to speak. And just as God has promised.... "that the fervent prayer of the righteous will not go unanswered" my wife's prayer was answered.
I was sent a video tape by Dave Hunt titled...."A Woman Rides the Beast" I watched it, was instantly convicted in my spirit of its truth and became very very angry that my eternal destiny had been jeopardized all these years by belonging to this false (and after many years of research)....evil to the bone organization. Due to my extreme anger and my now incessant need to know the truth I have spent an inordinate amount of time researching this un-holiest of religions.
Now if there are Catholics reading this text right now.......they are infuriated at me.........just as I would have been 20+ years ago. They are thinking......."How dare this John B guy mock and disparage my wonderful church where all my friends and relatives gather to hear the word of God from our loving Father Francis. Our families whole lives are centered around our beloved church. John B, you're nothing more than a poor, hateful, no good, Catholic basher."
I grew up in a church like that and those would have been my words (and much worse) for many decades. I am truly sorry if I offended any of you but as in the old saying........sometimes the truth hurts. It did for me, it hurt a lot, I was extremely angry when confronted with the truth.
You see we were never encouraged to read our bibles for ourselves and the Sunday readings in church were pretty generic from year to year never digging very deep at all into scripture. And when I did read the bible in those days it didn't seem all that clear for my understanding. I have since found out that after you are filled with the Holy Spirit the discernment factor of your understanding rises exponentially and the meanings of the holy text flow off the page especially after you ask the Lord to share the meaning with you.
Recently I was presented with a statement that initially perplexed me but after thinking about it I had to agree. And that statement was......"The Jesus of the bible is a different Jesus from the one the Catholic church worships" My initial thought was ...what's up with this.......there are not two Jesus'......but there are.
Concerning the two Jesus'...........
Let me list some of the extreme differences between the Jesus of the bible and the Jesus of the Catholic Church with the applicable bible verses listed and then contrasted against the RCC's edicts as listed in their Catechism (rule book). Then you decide if there are two Jesus' and if the RCC is a false brand of Christianity. And if indeed you need to flee from that church as God instructs you to in Rev.18:4-8
Jesus the Savior
Bible: "He saved us, not because of any righteous deeds we had done, but because of His mercy (Titus3:5)
RCC teaches that by His death and resurrection, Jesus Christ has "opened" heaven to us(1026). Each person attains His own salvation by grace and good works(1477)
Jesus finished the work of redemption
Bible: "By one offering He has forever perfected those who are being sanctified" (Hebrews10:14) "Unlike the other high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices"(Hebrews7:27,28)
RCC denies it is finished. "The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice....the same Christ who offered Himself once in a blood manner on the altar of the cross is contained and offered in an unbloody manner"(1367) "Every time this mystery (reference to Rev.17) is celebrated the work of our redemption is carried on"(1405)The sacrifice is "offered in reparation for the sins of the living and the dead"(1414)
In other words the RCC is saying "look Jesus You didn't do it right on the cross, You didn't pay our sin debt in full, so we the RCC are going to re-sacrifice You millions of times per day in the sacrifice of the Mass ( Eucharist) until that sin debt is really paid. Can you imagine how insulted our Lord and Savior must feel when He sees the millions of golden cups (chalice's) and the hosts (bread wafers) lifted by the RCC priests in the millions of daily Masses.........indicating that He Jesus failed on the cross. Is there any doubt then why God in Rev.17 referred to the inhabitants of the earth (RCC church members) being "drunk with the wine of her fornication". Or..."having in her hand a golden cup full of the abominations and filthiness of her fornication".(Rev.17:4) Or why in Rev.17:5 God uses the word "Mystery" to refer to this organization when the RCC states that every time this "mystery" (sacrifice of the Eucharist) is celebrated the work of our redemption is carried on. You can almost read the pleasure in God's words when this great drunken harlot is finally destroyed in Rev.17 and 18. On her head or her "wanted poster" reads........"Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother (spawner) of Harlots and of the Abominations of the Earth".(Rev.17:5)
When she is destroyed by world forces inspired by God ( "For God has put it in their hearts to fulfill His purpose"...Rev.17:17) the millions of souls in heaven that were murdered by her and were seeking revenge rejoice. ..."Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you holy apostles and prophets, for God has avenged you on her." (Rev.18:20)
Jesus, His life, death and resurrection provided the only way to be saved
Bible: There is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name in the world given to men in which we are to be saved". Act:4:12
RCC denies this by claiming the Catholic Church "is necessary for salvation"(846) and claiming "the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are Muslims" (841)
Jesus' shed blood is the only remission for sins
Bible: "Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" (Hebrews 9:22) "Since these (sins) are forgiven, there is no further offering for sin"(Hebrews 10:18)
RCC teaches "an indulgence is a remission before God of the temporal punishment due to sins whose guilt has already been forgiven, which....may be applied to the living or the dead" (1471)
Jesus our advocate and only Mediator
Bible: "God is one, one also is the mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ".(1Timothy 2:5, 1 John 2:1)
RCC teaches that Mary "did not lay aside her saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation". She "is ....Advocate....and Mediatrix" (969)
Jesus...Head of the Church
Bible: "He has put all things under Christ's feet and made Him, thus exalted, head of the church". (Eph.1:22,23)
RCC teaches that the Pope, "By reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire church has full, supreme and universal power over the whole church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered" (882) He exercises infallibility when "he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals" (891)
Jesus the soon coming king
Bible: "This same Jesus, who has been taken away from you into heaven will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven" Acts 1:11
RCC denies this by teaching Jesus returns daily to the altars of the Catholic churches to be worshipped: "The body and blood....soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus truly, really and substantially contained" in the Eucharist. (1374-78)
These are some but not all of the glaring differences between the Jesus of the bible and the Jesus of the Roman Catholic Church.
And just as there are two Jesus' there are also two different Doctrines of Salvation. One from a biblical point of view and the RCC view.
There is Salvation as proclaimed in the gospel and........ the RCC salvation that requires and demands many additional requirements like sacraments, (1129) meritorious masses (1405) church membership (846) purgatory (1030) indulgences (1498) and baptism (1256)
The bible teaches that salvation is through faith not works (Eph.2:8,9) but the RCC teaches that it is through faith plus works. And people can obtain their own salvation and at the same time cooperate in saving their brothers through good works and indulgences (1477,1479)
The bible says that salvation is by grace, not merit....."All men are now undeservedly justified by the gift of God" (Romans 3:24) "It is not because of their works, otherwise grace would not be grace" (Roman11:6) but the RCC denies justifying grace is undeserved....."We can merit for ourselves and others all the graces needed to attain eternal life" (2027)
There are many other examples of the vast disparity between God's words in the bible and what man...the RCC....has dreamt up and misused over the centuries. Many of the doctrines and rules that the RCC has "invented" over the centuries were sadly for monetary gain whether it be the selling of indulgences, selling of Mass cards to get their loved ones out of purgatory (that doesn't exist) or the man other schemes used to generate funds for the papacy. As written in Rev.17, 18 and other areas of the bible God is extremely upset with the multiple century atrocities perpetrated by the RCC. He often expresses His outrage throughout the bible with this worldwide organization that He describes as a drunken harlot woman riding a figurative beast who turns out to be Satan. Meaning that this church is literally a team with Satan. That's extremely serious stuff..........
Soon as per scripture, call it what you will......... an entity, an avatar, a clone, or a likeness of a RCC dead pope will rise from the bottomless pit. This shell will be indwelled by the king of the bottomless pit Abaddon and then also by Satan himself. He will arrive immediately after the rapture with all the answers to calm the world that will be in total chaos. He will be headquartered in Rome at the Vatican. Due to being indwelled by Satan he will perform all manors of lying signs and wonders to deceive the planet. He will formulate a seven year plan to bring the world back to peace and prosperity. He will smooze and completely deceive the planet into thinking he is a good guy while formatting and maneuvering his death grip on world power. This will take him 42 months or three and one half years. Then at the 42 month mark he turns into a monster. He totally blasphemes the true God by declaring to the world that he is the one true god of the universe who has now taken up residence on earth. To prove he is indeed the true god he kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem who no one could kill ending their 42 month ministry which ran concurrently with his first 42 months.
He then demands to be worshipped as the true god and anyone who will not take his mark on their right hand or forehead will be put to death. He brings great horror and suffering to the planet for the remainder of the seven years which have been shortened by the true God less no one survive.
Gerlinda, I knew that as an x-Catholic you would indeed relate to these facts and premises so like I said after starting down this path while writing the previous post to you I felt compelled to finish my thought process.
So you Catholics out there.......after reading this am I indeed a no good rotten Catholic bashing piece of dog du....... or.... a voice from the wilderness (today's vernacular cyberspace) trying to throw you an eternal lifeline?? I suggest you crack open your bibles and examine your current beliefs very carefully........ for millions believe, as I do, that we are rapidly running out of time before the rapture happens. I believe God was very clear in His warning to those that embrace the Catholic Church what the consequences will be. He stated this warning below in Rev.18.
" And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her (the RCC), my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, "I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow." Therefore her plagues will come in one day-death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her.
There are Christian ministries out there whose sole purpose is to evangelize Catholics and try to point out the great disparity between God's word in the bible and whatever the RCC has fabricated over the centuries. These ministries hope to shed the saving light of the bible on the beliefs and thinking of Catholics before it is too late.
One of these ministries is where I copied the above distinctions between God's word and man's words. It's a ministry in Plano, Texas run by Mike Gendron. I believe his web site to be www. I can't say enough about the importance of his ministry and his performance of it. Thank you and God bless you Mike for all you do and the abuse you have endured (as a no good Catholic basher) in trying to save these millions of led astray people. When God passes out the crowns for achievement yours will be special.
Blessings.........John B