John B (15 Dec 2012)
"To Marilyn Agee....thanks for adding to "Who is He"...... and....Hollywood couldn't even put a dent in a production like this"


Marilyn,
 
First of all...... Happy Birthday!!!!....13 December 1928...... and bless you for all the decades you have dedicated to the study of God's Word and the cheerleader you are at sharing that Word with others.
 
I feel like I am writing this response to my mom, she was born about two weeks before you on 25 November 1928 but the Lord saw fit to take her home in 1994. Yours and hers has been called "the greatest generation" of our time and I totally agree. It was a time when people had a true moral compass that pointed toward the Lord. A time of black and white concerning right and wrong. Then we went through a period you could call "a sea of gray" where those limits of right and wrong were severely stretched. Now we are in that end time period where the bible says...."they will call wrong right and right wrong" or "evil good and good evil". It has been so sad to witness this transition. I reminisce as I am sure you do about the simpler and more righteous times of the 50's and 60's. Life was good and evil wasn't rampant and escalating as it is today. Again bless you and Happy Birthday.......
 
As per my article and your response ....... http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2012/johnb1211.htm http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2012/marilyna1214.htm
 
Thanks for filling in some of the blanks concerning leopard, bear and lion connections. I should have known that because (as I now remember it) when the Roman Catholic Church first came into existence it had just split from the eastern part of the church (Constantinople) and along with the split had taken with it all manors of "pagan worship rituals" from times past. As you mentioned, these pagan rituals came from Greece, Media-Persia but most prominently from Babylon hence we find all the cross connected terminology between Babylon and the Catholic church in Revelation 17 and 18.
 
When one overlays my article with yours there are a lot of similarities and also a lot of differences. In your interpretation or your discernment of the related text you have taken a world history and multiple rapture approach whereas I have narrowed the meaning of the text specifically to the RCC and one rapture. I believe John the revelator's vision in 90AD concerning parts of Rev.13 and all of Rev.17 and 18 was specifically focused on the RCC and it's evil worldwide dealings since its inception.
 
Being that I am an x-Catholic and was steeped in the history and the workings of that religion for over forty years, reading Rev.17 and 18 is like a "walk down memory lane" for me. Whereas a non Catholic would or may struggle with the meanings in the text. God through John chose to use Rev.17 to decode Rev.13 so we would know exactly who the first beast...the antichrist would be.
 
When one simply pre-loads their mind with the thought that now I am going to read Rev.17 and 18 believing that God was exclusively referring to the RCC.......then all the verses become clear. So many people believe that these chapters are referring to New York city or wherever but when you examine and distill the text you get an exclusive picture of the RCC and most importantly the identity of the first beast or the antichrist.
 
I know from reading this and prior articles you have written that you believe in two raptures. I hope you are right because that would probably cause more people to be saved but I personally don't concur with that theory. I see the one and only rapture happening at the opening of the sixth seal (Rev.6:12) accompanied by a great worldwide earthquake, multiple volcanoes erupting causing the sun to disappear (blacken) and the moon to appear red. Rev.6:14...The sky will recede like a scroll..... maybe opening to some other dimension. While this dimension is open the devil and his bad angels (stars) will be cast down to earth (Rev.6:13) as we the raptured are going up in the heavens to meet the Lord. We are then told in this same section that......."the great day of His wrath has come"........He provided his faithful with an escape as promised.
 
Marilyn, I have spent 20+ years studying bible prophecy and you have undoubtedly spent 40+ years in the same endeavor. We along with all the others have a rainbow of theories as to how many and when the rapture or raptures will happen. I remember trying to submit an article to a prominent "rapture website"who would not accept it unless I was of the belief that the rapture happened in Rev.4 .......and I don't...... so they would not accept the article.
 
That being said let me propose a scenario for you and anyone else that may be reading this for everyone's consideration. My belief is that the rapture scenario is as I described above at the opening of the sixth seal followed by the "start" of His wrath or the start of the seven year tribulation period. Just for the sake of whatever....... lets see if this scenario makes sense.
 
The rapture happens as I described above at the opening of the sixth seal. A much better name for this event is the great resurrection because that's exactly what happens. The dead and we who are alive in Christ are resurrected to meet Jesus in the clouds. Those dead also include millions of Jews who formed the early and mid-term church. So what happens in the next verses? We see 144,000 Jews being hand picked by God as His first fruits from this great resurrection. Then what is the very next thing that we see happen after this in the following verses? Millions of ecstatic people from all over the planet show up in heaven waving palm branches and crying out their adoration and praises to the Lord.
 
The residents of heaven (the angels, the four living creatures and the elders) are beside themselves in joy as to what the Lord has just accomplished in this enormous resurrection involving untold millions of people being snatched from all areas of the planet then receiving new bodies. This is beyond mind-blowing.....Hollywood couldn't even put a dent in a production like this. The elders, living creatures and angels fall on their faces in complete and utter awe at what they have just witnessed and proclaim.........."Amen!!!!! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen"
 
Other that creation and the birth, life, death and resurrection of Jesus this great (rapture) resurrection event is the greatest most fantastic event to ever cross the pages of Holy Scripture. And it gets some bible "front page headlines and coverage" in Rev.7. .....as well it should.
 
Now contrast that with what so many try to make you believe that the rapture or great resurrection happens in Rev.4. Do you see untold millions showing up there? No Do you see great fanfare going on there? No Do you see anything there that would make you believe that one of the most important events in biblical history happened there? No
 
I believe that false teachers abound just as God told us they would to sew error and confusion in parts of scripture that should be simple and flow together...... as does the rapture story in Rev. 6 and 7.
 
These false teachers have sowed other major falsehoods into the end time scenario as well such as.......
1) The identity of the first and second beasts. Speculation runs rampant for those who refuse to read God's description of these beasts.
2) The reign of the antichrist being 42 months. Scripture in Daniel and Rev. says or implies that the true reign is nearly seven years. This adds a huge confusion factor for one who is trying to timeline or track the 7 year tribulation period. Satan loves to inject lies and confusion.
 
Excuse me Marilyn for rambling on beyond my response to you but I am sure you know how it is........one thought leads to the next and the next and the next.
 
It is a pleasure exchanging words with you.......I pray you're in good health and your ministry of the Lord's work continues until that great trumpet blows to take us home.
 
John B