Nansings (6 Aug 2023)
"Reply to Donna Danna re Fallen Angels, Aliens & Giants"


 
1.  You reference the Book of Enoch as the source for "fallen angels coming down to Mt. Hermon."
 
A:  The Bible does not say "fallen angels came down."  It says "sons of God."  That idea of "fallen angels" is human error based on the teaching of popular authors who have not connected the dots in scripture concerning Jesus' teaching about there not being marriage in Heaven nor connected it to the purpose of the sacrifice of Christ, the blood of Jesus and its purpose being to save the heirs to salvation who will be and/or are the "sons of God."
 
We know from scripture that the sons of God are not angels because God said He never gave that title "sons of God" to angels (Hebrews 1:5).  They were created to be "ministering spirits" to us now, but we will rule over them (judge them) in Heaven.  They will never be part of the Bride of Christ either.  Jesus isn't going to marry an angel or half/angel/half human hybrid!  His other half will be made up by those sinners who are covered by His blood from the spear that pierced His side, just as Adam's side was opened to make a bride for him.  Angels are God's "messengers" who "minister to the heirs of salvation."  They never graduate from that role!
 
2.  You state:  "There is nothing in the Bible between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 to show that they were thrown down to Earth at that time before Adam & Eve were created."  You state it will be future.
 
A:  Part of it could be.  There is a pattern of double fulfillments to some Biblical prophecies.  This could be one of them where you referenced what you believe will occur in the future in Rev. 12:7-9.  However, per God to Dr. Eby below, it already happened in Genesis.  So, you are half-correct.  There is evidence in Genesis 1:2 that something happened that destroyed everything.
 
Here is what God told Dr. Richard Eby during his 'life after death' experience about it:  "My book tells of a time when Lucifer's rebellion in Heaven changed some things.  He sought to usurp My Father's throne, assume His position as The Most High God and to rule the universe.  For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from Heaven to Earth.  In fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning!  In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured Our perfect Earth.  It became void and uninhabitable."  Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.  That means all was finished.  Then in Genesis 1:2 it states, "And the Earth was without form and void."  That defies Gensis 1:1, unless you take into account Satan's fall from Heaven to Earth and the destruction that ensued.  Satan couldn't destroy the Earth if it was already "without form and void."  Something happened and God told Dr. Eby what occurred.
 
3.  You stated, "the fallen angels sinned by going into the daughters of men, and thus were chained up." 
 
A:  The Bible doesn't say that.  That is error taught by many of today's popular authors who are more interested in making money from their books than hearing arguments against their theories that would prove them wrong which would force them to rewrite their books.
 
Scripture proves that angels were not the ones that came down and had sex with women in Genesis 4.  The Bible says they were "sons of God."  God never gave that title to angels, per Hebrews 1:5 & Psalms.
 
4.  You said that after Noah "the giants once again reappeared on Earth."  
 
A.  That wasn't due to them having sex with Earth's women.  Per Genesis 6:4 the giants initially were already here when the "sons of God" arrived.  "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came.."  There is evidence in the Solomon Islands today that the giants are extra-terrestrials who arrive in UFOs from another world.  UFOs are frequently seen flying in and out of caves where the giants are known to reside.  The giants that Israeli researcher, Barry Chamish, wrote about in his book "Return of the Giants" arrive in UFOs also.  They are physical alien beings from another world.  Their ships can do things that seem supernatural to us but the truth is they are just more advanced technologically than we are and know laws of physics we haven't discovered, or are just now learning to use; such as, invisibility or cloaking devices, etc. to hide them and their space ships.
 
5.  You asked:  "Did fallen angels again have children with the daughters of Canaan who were cursed because it was in Canaan that the giants resided when Joshua & Caleb led the Israelites into the land?"  
 
A:  No, because the Bible stated in Genesis 6:4 that it wasn't angels that came and mated with Earth's women, it was the "sons of God."  "Sons of God" are human types who are from the sin-seed of Adam, and therefore, qualify for redemption through the blood of Jesus.  They were most likely the righteous sons of Adam and Eve who intermarried with murderous Cain's descendants.
 
The Bible doesn't tell us everything.  Many books that should have been in the Bible we are told historically were destroyed during the fire at the library in Alexandria of Egypt, including books written by Jesus, Himself.
 
However, some ancient books exist today that were not included in the Bible because they were being held by nomads, etc. and only showed up recently (i.e., 18th-20th century), like the book of "Adam & Eve" available in the Library of Congress.  It tells about the sons of Adam (aka sons of Seth) being warned by Adam not to go down the mountain to a valley below where evil Cain and his descendants lived.  After Adam's death they disobeyed and went down and got  tempted, thus ending up marrying some of his women, giving birth to children who became men of "reknown," no doubt, as their off-spring would be raised with knowledge of righteousness not known or experienced by Cain's descendants, thus causing them to become "reknown." -- [Source: Bk. of Adam & Eve, Lost Books of the Bible & Forgotten Books of Eden, World Bible Publishers, Inc. & Library of Congress Catalog Card # 63-19519]
 
6:  You asked:  "As for Barry Chamish's book about giants breeding with Israeli women, what size were the giants?"
 
A:  "Whatever is landing in today's Israel, in almost all cases, is taller than us by at least a foot and has entirely different facial features," per Barry Chamish.  "All the women were in their late thirties, except for a young girl from Netanya abducted by midget grey aliens."  The greys aren't able to have sex with the women.  Instead, they create hybrids in their space ships via test tubes.
 
So, apparently, the real, tall giants mate with tall, giant females of their own race from another world.  Whereas, the ones landing in Israel, aren't too tall to mix with Earth's women.  If you think about it, there is no record Biblically of giants having human females as wives.  We presume because the giants existed (Goliath and his brothers) that that is the case, but there is nothing Biblically to prove it.  It could be the really tall giants were extraterrestrials who had wives from their own world, or maybe never married.  They left their world and came here to live.  Nothing is said about it.  Even Genesis 6:4 does not say that giants mated with women.  It just says the giants were already here.  They must have come via UFOs from another world, which goes along with Enoch's mention of the Gregori.  It could be that it is the Gregori -- a military race of men from another world -- who are still visiting Israeli women who are "fit extensions," capable of producing children by them.
 
7.  You said:  "I also wouldn't believe anything that an alien in a spaceship or UFO said because they could be a fallen angel disguised to look like an alien to deceive us."
 
A:  It's always good to be cautious.  However, angels don't need spaceships to fly in.  Neither do demons.  Nevertheless, a UFO occupant could become demon-possessed, just like humans can.  So it's always good to test their spirit.
 
8.  You said, "And all the angels (good and bad) don't receive salvation which are called sons of God in the book of Job 1:6, 2:1 & 38:7 and Satan presented himself to God with them." 
 
A:  Angels were never called "sons of God" and never will be, per Hebrews 1:5.  More on that in 11. A: below.
 
10.  You said, "there is no angel good or bad who is ever going to be the Father's only begotten Son who was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born in human form of a virgin."
 
A:  They'll never be "heirs to salvation" either.  Jesus was able to save us (be the antidote; sin cure) because His blood was pure.  The "sons of God" are of the sin-seed of Adam (not from angels) and need Jesus' pure blood to redeem them.  Jesus was the perfect, sinless lamb for sacrificing.  It's like Jesus is an anti-virus vs. 1.0 for mankind.  Angels will never be one because the good ones don't need saving and the bad ones (fallen angels) can't be saved.
 
11.  You said, "And all the angels (good and bad) don't receive salvation which are called "sons of God" in the book of Job 1:6, 2:1 & 38:7 and Satan presented himself to God with them."
 
A:  The "sons of God" who presented themselves to God were not angelsJeremiah 1:5:  "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.."  I know of a woman who was murdered by her husband and went to Heaven.  God told her she would have to return.  She didn't want to.  God told her that she had signed a contract with Him prior to coming to Earth the first time and now she had to go back and fulfill the rest of that contract.  So He sent her back. 
 
We are the "sons of God" (who would become heirs to salvation) who existed before coming to Earth and rejoiced in the book of Job at God's creation.  Imagine what a sight that was to behold:  Earth's visual paradise with nightly cosmic displays, a genetic scientist's delight; a galactic zoo of lifeforms unparalled.  We knew we would be coming here to experience the "school of hard knocks' so we would be better skilled spiritually and be able to rule and reign with Christ during His millennial reign on Earth.  And also for when He creates a new Heaven and new Earth far off into the future.  That's why Satan, the accuser of the brethren, appeared with the "sons of God" - he was there from the very beginning to try and find ways to trip them up and stir up trouble.
 
12.  You quoted from the book of Enoch as follows:  "And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men 3 and beget us children.'"
 
A:  The book of Enoch is not part of "The Signature of God" (Biblical books that have a numerical pattern of the number 7 running throughout thus proving Divine authorship/Divine inspiration) because it falls under "The Apocryphal" books of the Catholic Bible, none of which passed the numerical numbering test discovered by Ivan Panin, that the rest of the books in the Bible passed.  So, it is prone to fault - human 'add ons' to the story over time and error.  It cannot be relied on as much as many would like.  Portions from the book of Enoch are mentioned/
quoted in the Bible, just as some of the Apocryphal books are quoted from, but that doesn't mean the whole book is inspired by God or entirely accurate, because it does not have the amazing pattern of the number 7 running throughout it.
 
The story of Semjaza and the others is one that I would put under human writing as opposed to Divine inspiration because people in ancient times had a tendency to call anything that came from outside Earth "Heaven/angels/gods" when it may have been more likely planets, outer space, or alien beings.  Some alien beings claim still today to be our gods because they tampered with what God already created and got away with it (creating hybrids in labs, etc.).  The "sons of God" know better.  In prior history humans, who were unable to view the cosmos through telescopes at that time, didn't know any better.
 
I would also include it as not Divinely inspired because it defies what we know from Genesis 6:4, the it was the sons of God that mated with women -- not angels.  Even Jesus told His disciples that there is no giving and taking in marriage in Heaven.  God says marriage of two humans was to produce "a godly seed" (Malachi 2:15).  So the angels do not have seed for reproduction and could not even create a hybrid of themselves if they wanted to.
 
Revelation 12:7-9, where Satan is cast down with the fallen angels, we know has already occurred, just as the story about him as a dragon waiting to kidnap Mary's child, Jesus, when he was born.  A partial fulfillment of it is in the future where the dragon chases the woman (that was Mary in the first part of the prohecy.  Mary is pictured as the nation of Israel in the second part where they flee into the wilderness during the Great Tribulation (possibly into hiding in Petra).  However, the part of the fallen angels falling out of Heaven again won't happen again as they are in prison.  Satan still has access to and from Heaven presently so he can accuse the brethren.  That access may get cut off, but it won't involve the fallen angels who are already locked up till Judgment Day.