A poster here, John B, last week who
badly wants to believe & teach the seals have already
been opened and desires to teach his “pre-wrath” rapture,
challenged WHERE in the Bible does it say that the seals
are “judgments”…. John you say the seals are only ASSUMED
to be judgments. Ah contraire!
So I take on that challenge by
presenting it straight from the Word of God!!
From Isaiah 26:20
NET Bible
Go, my people! Enter your inner rooms! Close your doors behind you! Hide for a little while,
until his angry judgment is over!
YES, even this OT passage IS referring
to the rapture!! Even go back to v. 19 which says:
Thy dead men shall live, together
with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing,
ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew
of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
(the resurrection of those who’ve gone
on BEFORE the living Saints here on earth to be raptured)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17Amplified
Bible (AMP)
15 For we say this to you by the Lord’s
[own] word, that we who are still alive and remain until
the coming of the Lord, will in no way precede [into His
presence] those [believers] who have fallen asleep [in
death]. 16 For the Lord Himself will come
down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice
of the [a]archangel and with the [blast of the]
trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then
we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously
be caught up (raptured) together with them [the
resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the
air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
And Is 26:20 about “going into your
chambers & shutting the doors behind you”
corresponds nicely with Matt 25:10
New Living
Translation
"But while they were gone to buy oil, the bridegroom came.
Then those who were ready went in with him to the marriage
feast, and the door was
locked.
Revelation
16:5-7 declares
of God, “You are just in these judgments, you who are
and who were, the Holy One, because you have so judged;
for they have shed the blood of your saints and
prophets, and you have given them blood to drink as they
deserve. … Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are
your judgments.”
Snippet from
poster’s essay: Yes, as per scripture,
the four living creatures, the 24 elders, untold millions
of angels, every creature which is in heaven, on and under
the earth and in the sea erupted with joy, excitement and
complete bliss.
Now do you
really believe that all of creation would have been this
excited if the seals were judgments? Do you really believe
these trillions of beings would cheer on death and
destruction by an all loving God if that’s what the seals
were? Absolutely not…….they would have been very very sad
and subdued. *****
(see stars a few paragraphs down…)
**END** of your
quotes
You are looking at things
the way we see them in the here & now. OF
COURSE, it goes without saying that I am very vexed &
sad over my own loved ones as I know they’re heading into
judgment and then, if they have not yet repented, into the
Lake of Fire…. Yet you finally get to a place &
time where, after you’ve presented the gospel to them, you
cannot shed one single tear for them, because they, like
everybody else HAS CHOSEN!!!
New
International Version Revelation 22:11
Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the
vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does
right continue to do right; and let the holy person
continue to be holy."
We feel compassion and
sympathy for “people”, and yet should we ever feel this
same way towards “the Father”? Not that He “needs
our sympathy”, but what about the way people TREAT “HIM”?
Perhaps all of creation
is rejoicing because THE CREATOR is finally going to
intervene & “set things straight”….. and get us onto
the redemption road!!
As far as your theory of
“all creation being excited over the judgments”. Now
this is later on when Babylon is blown to smithereens….
“sad occasion”, right?
……Well, look, look, look
who REJOICES!!
Revelation 18:20Amplified Bible
(AMP) ***** YES,
because God’s Word says it, I really believe all of
creation will be THIS excited as the seals are opened
& God executes judgment….. make that “righteous
judgment”!!!!
20 Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you
saints (God’s people) and apostles and prophets [who were
martyred], because God has executed vengeance for you
[through righteous judgment] upon her.”
Commentary RE: Rev 18:20
Rejoice over her. . . .—Better, Rejoice
over her, O heaven, and the saints, and the apostles, and
the prophets, because God has judged your judgment on (or,
out of) her.
The second portion of the chapter
closes with this invitation to the saints to rejoice: they
are summoned to rejoice because the law of retribution has
worked on her. Your judgment (it is said to the saints) is
judged on her. This does not mean a judgment which the
saints have decreed, but the judgment which Babylon
wrought on the holy is now exacted from her (comp. Revelation 18:6,
and Revelation
6:10; Revelation 13:10). Heaven, and every
class of those whose citizenship has been in heaven, are
bidden by the heavenly voice to rejoice The covetous and
the worldly mourn; their minds were set upon a material
glory, which has slipped away from their grasp. All
saintly souls, whose affections have been towards
righteousness and the righteous King, can rejoice; for the
wealth of holiness is imperishable. and the fall of
Babylon is the removal of one vast hindrance to
holiness **END of commentary.
Sorry, just not buying your theory that
the seals have already been opened! They are
opened WHEN the AntiChrist comes trotting to town! ß this in fact, is seal #1
The one thing I DO agree with you
however is I was not a Jack Kelly fan either…. Not because
of his end time teachings, but due to other reasons.
(But…. I ask myself even as I write this, what does this
have to do with the price of eggs?!.... in other words, I
really don’t need to even include this trivial tidbit of
info as it has nothing to do with furthering this
writing…. Shrugs/grins!)
We’ve just got to realize that the
Tribulation (a.k.a. Time of Jacob’s Trouble) will be
THEE time that people will choose: ONE SIDE OF THE
OTHER, but absolutely no one will be left to “sit” on the
fence.
People will either be FOR Jesus or FOR
satan
People will either TAKE the mark hence
serving the antiChrist, or they will blatantly refuse the
mark even when it means their torturous death or the death
of their loved ones. We cannot serve 2
masters! We will love the one and hate the other.
Sure, we love people! Yet
there’s not a soul on earth we could love MORE THAN the
Lord does! Yet, being righteous and holy
Himself, there comes a time when He will not put up with
arrogance, pride, folly, blatant sin any more.
Crazy maybe? Yet I confess that I
used to store a bit of food under my bed (nowhere close to
“7 years’ worth”!!) but just a bit to “get someone
by” for a short while…. Until I read:
Isaiah 26:21 Listen carefully,
the Lord is about to come out of His [heavenly]
place
To punish the inhabitants of the
earth for their wickedness [their sin, their injustice,
their wrongdoing];
Think of Jesus with the WHIP going
after the money changers!!
Well, since the Tribulation is a time
when He is coming “to punish”….. then I decided there’s
no need to put food together for anyone…. It’s not going
to be a time to “picnic”.
Further proof that the seals are
judgments:
The seven trumpets ARE the “contents” of the
seventh seal (Revelation
8:1-5)…. Thus, making the seventh seal
a…. what?? JUDGMENT!!!!!
So you see, there are
no “assumptions” here!!!
THE SEALS ARE
JUDGMENTS, TOO!!! And begin the
Tribulation at some point after the rapture. If
the 7th seal is a judgment, then guess
what? Seals one, two, three, four, five, and six
are ALSO judgments!!
Slam dunk!!
Debate over!! J
One could look at it
this way: in heaven it’s not that we’ll be
rejoicing that people we know & love are getting
bonked around – but rather the One we love the most has
finally decided to act and be victorious over all those
who blatantly chase after the devil.
I
admit, I didn’t totally get “your point” of your essay,
but alas your last sentence:
So I don’t think you need to
be afraid of the judgments of the 4 horsemen of the
apocalypse I don‘t believe there will be
any.............at least not from Jesus.
END your quote……
WHO is saying they are
“afraid” of ANY such judgments??? Why would we
personally be scared – if we’re not even here??!!!!
Oh, I think I’m having a
light bulb moment here: because you are teaching a
pre-wrath rapture (rapture at the 6th
seal) then you’re saying Christians will be here for
the first seals??
Sorry, laughable!
Again, we are told to
HIDE OURSELVES, to shut the door behind us, the door is
locked and no one can touch us (in heaven). Clearly
the ENTIRE 7 years of Tribulation is a time of God’s
wrath!! Isaiah 26 proves that Jesus Himself is
coming out with a rod “to punish” and, yes, a great deal
of that punishment includes turning the devil & demons
loose to do as they please.
The antiChrist coming on
stage as world leader where he will deceive people into
following him by flattery and by lying words and works and
wonders and “by peace” he will destroy many…. AND Rev
13:17 he will make war against the saints AND OVERCOME
them.
By the sixth seal, people
are being bloodily martyred for their refusal to worship
Mr. Anti…… there would not be any saints left TO BE
RAPTURED if it was ALREADY Time for Mr. Anti to start
killing people! Without first giving them (everyone
dwelling on planet earth) the opportunity to follow after
him though his nicety-nice talk of peace.
·
Why do people want to
detain going up?
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Why do some insist on
teaching a mid-trib rapture?
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Why can’t we just take
the Word of God at face value???
·
He said what He meant and
means what He says.
Folks, those of you who
are looking for an any day/any moment rapture, for Jesus
to come & whisk us out of here, and we are WATCHING
AND PRAYING ALWAYS to be “counted worthy” to escape all these things and to stand
before the Son of Man ß Biblical!! Luke
21:36)
Then join me in
praying: “Come SOON, Lord Jesus!!”