Bob Anderson (17 Aug 2014)
"re: Jovial (10 Aug 2014)  "Reply to Antisemitism ""


David Duke ... yes, THAT David Duke of KKK fame ... is a somewhat controversial source, even though he has done a credible job of disputing the Jewish Khazar antecedents theory. But, he had to.

Duke is a hater. And to hate Jews he has to have Jews to hate, The Khazars in the place of Jews destroys his entire raison d'être. Notice his tone when he hits "Jewish Supremacy", whatever that is.

Kimberly submitted a far better compilation over a year ago. In fact, I thought it was so good that I awarded it a prominent place in my "KEEP" file.

Maranatha,

Bob


Kimberly (28 May 2013) 
"Khazarian Jew Theory and Genetic Tests-Results"


  
Dear John and Doves:

Below is information that I’ve gathered to show where the theory of the Khazar Jews appears to have originated from.  There are also articles about the genetic studies that have been performed and what those studies have found regarding this theory.  This is a lot to read, and if you don’t have time to read it all, please scroll down and read the excerpts from the sections titled  “Jewish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries - A collection of abstracts and reviews of books, articles, and genetic studies” and the section titled “Avenues for further exploration”.  These excerpts that I’ve provided are not very long, and you can click on the links to read them in their entirety. 



Theory of Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews 
Early Khazar theories 

The theory that all or most Ashkenazi Jews might be descended from Khazars dates back to the racial studies of late 19th-century Europe. In some cases it has been cited to assert that most modern Jews are not descended from Israelites and/or to refute Israeli claims to Israel. It was first publicly proposed in a lecture given by the racial-theorist Ernest Renan on January 27, 1883, titled "Judaism as a Race and as Religion."[129] It was repeated in articles in The Dearborn Independent in 1923 and 1925, and popularized by racial theorist Lothrop Stoddard in a 1926 article in the Forum titled "The Pedigree of Judah", where he argued that Ashkenazi Jews were a mix of people, of which the Khazars were a primary element.[108][130] Stoddard's views were "based on nineteenth and twentieth-century concepts of race, in which small variations on facial features as well as presumed accompanying character traits were deemed to pass from generation to generation, subject only to the corrupting effects of marriage with members of other groups, the result of which would lower the superior stock without raising the inferior partners."[131] This theory was adopted by British Israelites, who saw it as a means of invalidating the claims of Jews (rather than themselves) to be the true descendants of the ancient Israelites, and was supported by early anti-Zionists.[108][130]

Theories linking Jews to Khazars today 
The Khazar theory still enjoys popularity among anti-Zionists[112] and antisemites.[140] Such proponents argue that if Ashkenazi Jews are primarily Khazar and not Semitic in origin, they would have no historical claim to Israel, nor would they be the subject of God's Biblical promise of Canaan to the Israelites, thus undermining the theological basis of both Jewish religious Zionists and Christian Zionists.
Genetic studies on Ashkenazi Jewry 
See also: Ashkenazi Jews#Genetic origins and Genetic studies on Jews 
1999 study by Hammer et al., published in the Proceedings of the United States National Academy of Sciences compared the Y chromosomes of Ashkenazi, Roman, North African, Kurdish, Near Eastern, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Jews with 16 non-Jewish groups from similar geographic locations. It found that "Despite their long-term residence in different countries and isolation from one another, most Jewish populations were not significantly different from one another at the genetic level... The results support the hypothesis that the paternal gene pools of Jewish communities from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East descended from a common Middle Eastern ancestral population, and suggest that most Jewish communities have remained relatively isolated from neighboring non-Jewish communities during and after the Diaspora."[141] According to Nicholas Wade "The results accord with Jewish history and tradition and refute theories like those holding that Jewish communities consist mostly of converts from other faiths, or that they are descended from the Khazars, a medieval Turkish tribe that adopted Judaism."[142]
2010 study on Jewish ancestry by Atzmon et al. says "Two major groups were identified by principal component, phylogenetic, and identity by descent (IBD) analysis: Middle Eastern Jews and European/Syrian Jews. The IBD segment sharing and the proximity of European Jews to each other and to southern European populations suggested similar origins for European Jewry andrefuted large-scale genetic contributions of Khazars or Slavic populations to the formation of Ashkenazi Jewry."[143]
Concerning male-line ancestry, several Y-DNA studies have tested the hypothesis of Khazar ancestry amongst Ashkenazim.[144][145][146] In these studies Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (sometimes called Eu 19) have been identified as potential evidence of one line of Eastern European ancestry amongst Ashkenazim, which could possibly be Khazar. One concluded that "neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin", athough "one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."[145] Another concluded that "if the R-M17 chromosomes in Ashkenazi Jews do indeed represent the vestiges of the mysterious Khazars then, according to our data, this contribution was limited to either a single founder or a few closely related men, and does not exceed ~ 12% of the present-day Ashkenazim."[144]
In August 2012, Dr. Harry Ostrer stated in his book "Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People" that all major Jewish groups do have common Middle Eastern origin, originating from ancient Israelites, and refuted any large scale genetic contribution from the Turkic Khazars.[147]
Geneticist Noah Rosenberg asserts that although recent DNA studies "do not appear to support" the Khazar hypothesis, they do not "entirely eliminate it either."[148] while Sarah Tishkoff, a geneticist at the University of Pennsylvania, commenting on the results of genetic studies stated "This is clearly showing a genetic common ancestry of all Jewish populations."[149]
However, in December 2012, Johns Hopkins geneticist Eran Elhaik (himself Jewish) released research that he says offers strong evidence that the Khazar theory is at least partially true.[150]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

In the above article from Wikipedia, in the last sentence, regarding the latest tests performed by Eran Elhaik, please read below in the section “Avenues For Further Testing”.  There are problems with his tests.


Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars?  (See Part 5 Conclusions)
A Reassessment Based upon the Latest Historical, Archaeological, Linguistic, and Genetic Evidence

by Kevin Alan Brook
http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-diaspora.html


In the article below, over six separate studies show that Ashkenazim Jews are Israelites.  There is also a study by Dr. Eran Elhaik of Johns Hopkins University.  While his study only partially supports the Khazar theory, it is not a complete study, and there appear to be problems with the way his studies were conducted.

Jewish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries
A collection of abstracts and reviews of books, articles, and genetic studies

Advanced genetic testing, including Y-DNA and mtDNA haplotyping, of modern Jewish communities around the world, has helped to determine which of the communities are likely to descend from the Israelites and which are not, as well as to establish the degrees of separation between the groups. Important studies archived here include the University College London study of 2002, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2001, Ariella Oppenheim's study of 2000, Michael Hammer's study of 2000, Doron Behar's study of 2008, Steven Bray's study of 2010, and others. 
Key findings: 
The main ethnic element of Ashkenazim (German and Eastern European Jews), Sephardim (Spanish and Portuguese Jews), Mizrakhim (Middle Eastern Jews), Juhurim (Mountain Jews of the Caucasus), Italqim (Italian Jews), and most other modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite. The Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E. Ashkenazim also descend, in a smaller way, from European peoples from the northern Mediterranean region and even less from Slavs and Khazars. The non-Israelite Y-DNA haplogroups include Q1b1a (typically Central Asian) and R1a1 (typically Eastern European but the most common Ashkenazic variant comes from somewhere in Asia, probably Central Asia). 

Avenues for further exploration
Unfortunately, as Bennett Greenspan pointed out, Y-DNA doesn't usually last more than 100 years in the remains of a dead person, so direct testing of Khazar bones may be impossible
The news story "Gene study settles debate over origin of European Jews" was released by Agence France-Presse on January 16, 2013. But also see this commentary (below) against the study's consideration of Armenians as a fundamentally Caucasus-based people and this commentary (below) about its mistake in using Armenians as "a proxy for the gene pool of the Khazar Empire" as well as Seth Frantzman's commentary mentioning a possible problem relating to the Druse among other concerns. Anatole A. Klyosov criticizes Elhaik's study in an article in Russian in Proceedings of the Academy of DNA Genealogy 6:3 (2013). 
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

Below are the commentaries, regarding the gene study, referred to in the excerpt from the section above titled “Avenues for further exploration”, from Discover Magazine and Eurogenes Blog.

From Discover Magazine:
Ashkenazi Jews are probably not descended from the Khazars
By Razib Khan | August 8, 2012 11:27 pm 
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/08/ashkenazi-jews-are-probably-not-descended-from-the-khazars/#.UaKdXdg__Te

From Eurogenes Blog:
Khazar origins of European Jews finally confirmed? 
http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2012/08/khazar-origins-of-european-jews-finally.html


See the chart “Ethnic Makeup of Jewish Population of Israel” in the link below.
Demographics of Israel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel


Debunking the 'Fake Jew' AKA The 'Khazarian Jew' Myth., page 1
The Conspiracy Begins 
Fast forward to the 19th century. French Philosopher Ernest Renan appears to be responsible for starting the conspiracy theory in his book Judaism as a Race and as Religion. He puts forth the claim Ashkenazic Jews are descended from Khazarian converts and the line of Japheth and not 'pure blood' Semitic Jews descended from Shem and Abraham. Slowly but surely the theory began to spread in popularity and was ultimately popularized in the 20th century by the well known racial theorist Lothrop Stoddard. Several more authors picked up and propagated the myth throughout the 20th century to the point the accusation became wide spread and well known. The theory is now very popular with various anti-semitic and anti-Zionist organizations and is mostly used to negate Israel's purpose of existence
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread423972/pg1


The Khazar conspiracy part 2
In a different genetic study, more groups were tested. Ashkenazi, Sephardic (literally “Spanish”), and Kurdish Jews were tested against various Arab and European samples. The genetic samples of the Arabs and Europeans clustered in separate groups. On the other hand, “neither Ashkenazi Jews nor the two Sephardic samples clustered with their former host populations (non-Jewish Eastern European, Iberian, and North African populations) (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/). 
In other words, two separate studies show that the Jewish populations that lived in Europe remained genetically distinct from the local Europeans. This would indicate that the local Jewish populations in Europe did not generally intermarry with the indigenous Europeans. It would also mean that the Ashkenazi Jews are descended from the Jews of Israel, not the Khazars of the Caucasus.
The story of Khazaria was co-opted by anti-Semites and white supremacists as a justification for their hatred of Israel. Exercise caution and prudence if you see or hear someone espousing the Khazar conspiracy. As with all conspiracies, know your source and consider whether other things that they say are truthful. As Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts.” The facts of the genetic tests are incontrovertible evidence that the Khazar conspiracy is a lie
http://www.examiner.com/article/the-khazar-conspiracy-part-2

soc.culture.jewish FAQ: Jews As A Nation (7/12)
Section - Question 13.4: Who were the Khazars? Are Ashkenazi Jews descended from the Khazars?

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/judaism/FAQ/07-Jews-As-Nation/section-5.html

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Kimberly