Jovial (8 Apr 2018)
"Fay's "Denying the Trinity", Suspicion, Conspiracies, etc."

Fay mentioned there was a group out there with several high levels of correlation;

* Denying the Trinity
* Belief in multiple conspiracy theories
* Belief the earth is flat.

I have noticed this as well.  I think a hyper suspicion of those in power is at the root to all of it.  It is not logically possible for there to be a secret shadow government of Jews, one of Masons, and one of the Vatican all at the same time.  Either one group pulls the strings or another does.  But some people believe them all despite the logical impossibility of such.  It might be possible that one of these are true, but it is not possible that all of them are.

Denial of the Trinity is again, rooted in a belief in all conspiracies theories.  It is based on the idea that if those in power (the Vatican) told us the Trinity is true, it must not be, because only those part of the "conspiracy" are in power.

Denial of a Spherical Earth is again, rooted in a belief in all conspiracies theories. I have even heard Flat Earthers say, "If the government is telling us Earth is a Sphere, it must not be true."

We don't base our beliefs on disagreeing with an organization that has some error, like the Vatican.  We base our beliefs on a source we know to be true, e.g., The Scriptures.  Also, these groups have had to mentally rewrite history to keep things consistent in their own minds.  For example, I have heard them say that the Vatican took the Apocrypha out of the Bible, and we need to put it back in.  One problem with that argument is that they have never removed it from what they consider to be their canon of Scripture.  So they are justifying agreeing with the Vatican by convincing themselves the Vatican has done the opposite of what they have done.

And while the Greeks and others concluded about 3,000 years ago that earth must have been a sphere, Europe was held back for centuries until the times of Columbus in that department mostly because the Roman Church insisted that the Earth was flat.  Galileo was persecuted by the Catholic Church for his belief in a spherical earth revolving around the sun.  But many of these people have embraced that once Catholic belief because they have concluded that if the government says the earth is round, it must be flat, and the Catholic Church must have always believed it was round too.

You have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to believe in multiple CONFLICTING conspiracy theories and a lot of damage is done when you put more faith in suspicion than in a positive acceptance of what we know to be true.

There is a pretty good  website at http://flatearthdeception.com/  that explains why we know the earth HAS to be a sphere.

Also, we must keep in mind that even in a corrupt organization, one cannot assume that EVERYTHING they say is wrong.  Many people never stopped to even cross examine things accepted as truth.  No one is going to teach, "Wood is orange, the sky is plastic." because some truths just can't be overturned because the truth of them is too obvious.  That is one reason it is so easy to end up in error when the basis of your belief is to disagree with a single source instead of on agreeing with a reliable source.

Shalom, Joe