Frank Molver (20 Apr 2013)
"Parcival, surrender in the 2nd person? c Charles post, photo"


 
We are not talking about perfection, we are talking about giving up our ways and following Christ, something Jesus asks Christians to do.
 
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2013/parcival419.htm
 
"If I may; we live in Christ, and Christ is one hundred percent surrendered to the Father."
 
I think you should read the post by Charles re the narrow road
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2013/charles419.htm
 
 
There is a Christian Church Jesus spoke to that would not let him in, they had not surrendered