Marilyn Agee (19 Apr 2012)
"Greg (17 Apr 2012) "TO MARILYN AGEE""

    From: Marilyn Agee
    > > Thank you
    You’re welcome. The Body of Christ should help others in the Body to understand what we already understand. Then we all grow together. Don’t worry, you will have things you understand help someone else as we go along. You probably know things I don’t know. God seems to give insight in different areas to different people so we can learn more by studying together. It seems that no one can teach without learning at the same time. I just recently learned something gigantic in importance that I hadn’t even thought about before. Tom Tanner posted what the angel said. Two words woke me up. The angel said, “as promised” when talking about when the resurrection of the dead in Christ would rise. I did a double take, and said, “As promised? When? – Oh! Jesus played it out.” Jesus was resurrected on April 9, 30 AD to show that he will return on April 9, 2016. I think he was resurrected on Easter/Firstfruits because the dead in Christ were to get their resurrection bodies on Easter/Firstfruits this year. Easter is not on Firstfruits in 2013 or 2014. If Jesus acted that out, it looks like the Body of Christ will ascend on Ascension Day, May 17, 2012.  Job 11:6 and Ecc 3:15 fit right in. The secrets of wisdom are double, or duplicate to that which is.
    > > “The thing that has been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun” (Eccl. 1: 9).
    Thanks for giving me another reference for that.
    > > Why do you assume the Lord wouldn’t leave the foolish virgins out entirely to suffer His wrath?
    Because they believe in Christ. Their lamps were sputtering, threatening to go out. They were quenching the Holy Spirit. 1Th_5:19 says, ”Quench (sbennumi) not the Spirit.”  Mt 25:8 (NASB) says, "The foolish said to the prudent, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out (sbennumi, being quenched).” I think the foolish virgins include the Laodiceans. They are neither hot nor cold, just lukewarm, but they are believers.
    > > So when it says “foolish virgins,” doesn’t this refer to those who think they are in Christ, but aren’t?
    They are believers. They are in the Body of Christ.
    Rev 3:15-19 says, “ I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue (lit., vomit) thee out of my mouth (i.e., leave them behind at the first Rapture). 17  Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18  I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19  As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.”
    The Lord is like a good father. Heb_12:6 says, “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.“ He doesn’t want any believer to arrive in Heaven and not get any rewards. He is giving us every chance, even to planning two Raptures instead of one. And so many will be saved the second time that no one can count them. It is the right thing to do if you want to save people, and the Lord wants to.
    I don’t think the foolish virgin Laodiceans will be part of the Bride of Christ. After the first  Rapture, the saints sing a new song. Rev 5:9,10 says, “And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10  And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth.”
    After the second Rapture, only the 144,000 are called VIRGINS and sing the NEW SONG. That leaves out the foolish Laodiceans.  Rev 14:1-4 says, “ I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. 2  And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: 3  And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. 4  These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.” 5  And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God.”
    Therefore, it seems that the Lord will add the 144,000 Israelites to the Bride group (but not the foolish Laodiceans). That is why I think the Marriage of the Lamb will take place after the second Rapture.
    Here is one honor the foolish Laodiceans will get. Psa 149:4-9 says, “For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. 5  Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds. 6  Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; 7  To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; 8  To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; 9  To execute upon them the judgment written: THIS HONOUR HAVE ALL HIS SAINTS. Praise ye the LORD.“
    Here is another honor the foolish Laodiceans will get. 1Th_3:13 says, “To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ WITH ALL HIS SAINTS.”
    1Co 3:10-15 says, “According to the grace of God which is given unto me (Paul), as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11  For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12  Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13  Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14  If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15  If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. “
    Don’t forget that even those that call upon the name of the Lord will be saved in the Day of God’s Wrath. Two asteroid pieces (Rev 8:8-11) will impact Earth that day. Only unbelievers will be subjected to that. Every wall worldwide will fall (Eze 38:18f). The Earth will be knocked upside down, causing Jesus’ Long Day, of which Joshua’s Long Day was a type. I think that Day of the Lord will be on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept 14, 2015. On the following Day of Atonement, Sept 23, the coming Jubilee Year should be announced. It would start with the return of Christ 7 months later (because 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year). On the Feast of Tabernacles, the people will be living in hastily constructed booths. I think that is how the fall feasts will be fulfilled, not by the Second Advent. I think it will be Nisan 1, 5776, April 9, 2016, the first day of the Sacred, Regnal and Jubilee years.
    Marilyn Agee

    Hi Marilyn,

    Thank you for correcting me, as I was in error thinking that only the Jews would be saved during great tribulation. Your reference of Rev. 7: 9 proves this point. I greatly appreciate it! I truly and humbly admit my wrong, as I have gone before Him asking for His forgiveness, and I pray protection on anyone who may have considered this erroneous thought. After reading your reply post I have come to agree that there will be two Raptures! There is one very important issue I would like to address. You say:

    “The wise virgins are taken the first time, and the Lord wouldn’t leave the foolish virgins out entirely to suffer the Wrath of God.”

    Why do you assume the Lord wouldn’t leave the foolish virgins out entirely to suffer His wrath? Isn’t this why they’re called “foolish” for not having enough oil, as the door was shut, and Him saying, “I know you not,” when they came back knocking? (Matt. 25: 12). God’s word says, “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things comes the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience” (Eph. 5: 6). What are these things? It’s obvious they are the deeds of the flesh: 1 Cor. 6: 9-10; Col. 3: 5; Gal. 5: 19-21 and such like, as it states in Col. 3: 6, “because of these things…”

    It makes sense to me that in order to be disobedient one would have to first know, or be cognizant of His word to obey, and not do it, so to be called a disobedient child.

    I think it safe to say “virgins” refers to them who came to Christ to be purified. So when it says “foolish virgins,” doesn’t this refer to those who think they are in Christ, but aren’t? Scripture says, “If therefore the light that is in you be  darkness, how great is that darkness! (Matt. 6: 23). Therefore, except the disobedient repent, who think they are saved and are not (Gal. 6: 3), would be cast out, making up the apostate church, having forsaken the true gospel/doctrine of Christ, which tells and teaches us to cease from doing the sins of the flesh, that for these living presumptuously would be the “foolish virgins.”

    All throughout Jesus’ ministry He gives warning saying, “Take heed that no man deceive you…” (Matt. 24: 4-5) and, “Take heed therefore how you hear…” (Luke 8: 18) and such like sayings. But why is this so EXTREMELY important? From what I see, it’s extremely important because once a person has tasted of His love, grace, mercy, and forgiveness, having been completely cleansed of all their past sins, that if they should fall away (Heb. 11: 26-39), entangling themselves again with the sins that they came out of, and were forgiven of (Gal. 5: 1), that if they should believe the doctrines of men, teaching that He doesn’t really expect us to cease from doing the sins of the flesh (and without such expectation they wouldn’t), they would live presumptuously before Him, thinking themselves to be something when they are nothing (Gal. 6: 3), and thinking they are rich, clothed, and have need of nothing, not realizing they are poor, naked, and blind (Rev. 3: 17). Doesn’t this sound like today’s church? I would hope the “foolish virgins” would also be saved, but I believe scripture teaches us otherwise. I think now, as you have corrected me, that the saints coming out of great tribulation are them who refused to accept the doctrine taught during the time of the Gentile church because such doctrine produces hypocrisy, and they want no part of it, and then the Jews, both of these coming to Christ when the Holy Spirit is poured out, both saved through the ministry of the Two Witnesses and 144,000, and then martyred.

    So what about the “foolish virgins”? I personally believe these represent the apostate church as said before. I had a thought come to me the other night, and if true, it would be of great irony of biblical proportions. It dawned on me a similar pattern could emerge that would resemble Jesus’ day. Who were the ones that were offended and broke their own laws to hold a trial against Jesus, and unjustly accuse Him, and have Him crucified? Was it not the religious leaders (Sanhedrin) and the Jews? Couldn’t the Sanhedrin typify today’s religious system, having to be ordained of men to be a qualified minister to preach the doctrines of men in the church, and the Jews, typifying current believers of this ordination of men and their doctrines? If so, then I would expect the apostate church to be involved with the Antichrist in persecuting, torches, and killing of the multitudes that come to Christ during great tribulation. For I would think, them to be angry and offended, thinking they gave enough of themselves, but not loving Him to cease from doing the deeds of the flesh to be holy, to be accounted worthy to escape (Luke 21: 36). Therefore God sends upon them strong delusion that they should believe a lie (2 Thess. 2: 11-12). Scripture says, “These things have I spoken to you, that you should not be offended. They will put you out of the synagogues: yes, the time comes, that whosoever kills you will think he does God service” (John 16: 1-2).

    Now check this out! You referenced in your posting to me Rev. 13: 1-12. Here is what verse 7 says, with your thoughts in parenthesis, “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish virgins that were left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindred’s, and tongues, and nations.”

    Notice it says, “…with the saints,” and not against the saints, then it is followed by a comma separating who it is to be overcome from who it is that is with “him” to overcome them, and then the colon immediately succeeding “them” identifies who are overcome.

    Could this be the understanding that Daniel had that caused him to faint and to pray and fast before the Lord three full weeks? And then in Daniel 9, as he is praying, seeking the Lord’s forgiveness, and "while....still speaking in prayer" the angel interrupted him (Dan. 9: 21)! And then the angel proceeds to give Daniel what is to come. I get the sense that because what is to come is certain, although still future, the angel Gabriel popped in to give Daniel this understanding, to only then return back to resume fighting the spiritual war.

    Could it be the apostate church (foolish virgins) is working with the Antichrist and his system, killing those that have the Holy Spirit poured out upon them; the apostate church jealous and irate for missing the Rapture, being offended for not being found worthy, therefore they participate with the Antichrist in ultimately killing them, thinking they’re doing God service because the strong delusion that God sends upon them? This is the exact same reason the Jews and religious leaders put Jesus to death, which then He grafted in the Gentiles, making the Jews jealous. Could it be like before, yet in reverse?

    “The thing that has been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun” (Eccl. 1: 9).

    Blessings in Christ,