Paul Wilson (8
CALLING ALL DOVES! Please help me with suggestions!"
Funny thing on seeds once planted they need water but if they
don’t get it the seed doesn’t
die it is dormant.
Years ago a valley called the driest place on earth got a good
amount of rain and all of a sudden the valley was teeming with
flower life. The seeds had fallen years perhaps decades earlier
but never had any water for them to grow but they were still
there and when the water came and they quickly bloomed. The seed
planted in him before, that he says he has, and the ones you
have been planting, with you discussions and by example, will
bloom but as you have guessed he might have to be left behind
before he seeks the water to grow those seeds.
Here is something to start with that can be printed out and
left for him. others here I am sure have more for you. there
were some posts of what to leaven oh maybe last year or so on
the doves. maybe john remembers them or someone else here does.
"CALLING ALL DOVES!
Please help me with suggestions!"
John and all Doves,
I've only posted a handful of times - I am one of you,
watching and waiting. My husband is a contractor in
Afghanistan. It's a long story, but he is there by
choice, not by necessity. He is in love with the
salary. If he is saved, he will be saved by "the
skin of his teeth" if you have ever heard that expression. My
heart grieves for him. He claims to have had a
salvation experience complete with "walking the aisle" in a
church, and in an emotional response to a visiting
evangelist. However as far as I can detect, I see no
fruit, no evidence, no hunger, no curiosity about things of
the Lord or of the Word. He's still in love with planning
his future and fulfilling his Earthly dreams. It
is possible he may have had that salvation experience, but
had no follow up, no discipleship, and that seed was
"snatched away." Or it was not a true conversion
experience. I was not there when he claims this
happened in the early 2000's.
We have been married only 2 1/2 years,
and almost the entire time he has been in Afghanistan.
I have given him every resource possible to be at his
disposal, but as far as I know he has no interest in picking
up the Bible, any of the literature, books, pamphlets,
tracts, DVDs etc. I can speak to him of spiritual
things, but I'm the one who has done all the speaking, and
he listens with no interruption or irritation, and
then changes the subject.
I have the idea that what he hears when I speak of the Lord
or of spiritual things is kind of like what Charlie Brown
hears when the teacher is talking (waaa wa haba whhas.....)
He has what he needs to know how to be saved, that is for
The Lord has put it on my heart about 1
1/2 months ago that the time for my "talking" to him about
the Lord is over. All the words have been said that
can be said, and very, very clearly, and in love. I have
been clearly commanded to shut my mouth and let him observe
my living out my faith by a godly example and a quiet and
gentle spirit. But I am not the Holy Spirit, and
I cannot convict him, I cannot soften his heart, I cannot
bring him to his knees; I cannot make him do anything.
He works 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, so he has very
little time to think, which I think is just fine for him
because I believe it is easier for him to stay in a
para-military work environment and just do what he is told
which leaves little time to work on your emotional problems
(i.e. our marriage is pretty bad, childhood abuse issues)
besides the eternal destiny question. This is
more grievous to me than the state of our
marriage or even that our marriage is so broken and we are
always apart. I had to lower my expectations of what I
wanted or needed from him to 0% and that was hard.
Just like none of "deserve" anything including salvation, I
had to let all my expectations of him go too, and only look
to the Lord to meet all of my emotional, mental and
spiritual needs. It has been
absolutely heartbreaking to me.
So a while ago, I had to "give him up" to
the Lord. What I mean by that is I finally realized
that I had to stop trying to control him and his response
and let it go - and wait on the Holy Spirit. No one
wants to think of their own spouse not only missing the
rapture, but possibly being saved as one of the elect, but
then being deceived and falling away, or taking the mark of
the beast and going to Hell. So I pray every day,
several times a day, for the Lord to have mercy on him,
for the Holy Spirit to pierce his heart, and to bring him
to his knees, whatever it takes. How the Lord
will accomplish that, I have no idea. After the
rapture, who knows how it will be for the people who missed
it, or get saved after the door is shut, and how they will
survive and live or die. So I stop trying to figure it
out and try to leave it in the Lord's most capable
hands. It was very, very hard for me to "give him up"
to the Lord, but I have made peace with it now.
where my request comes in. Does anyone have ideas
of what I can leave for him about what to do if you are
"left behind" (besides the Left Behind
Series!) My husband is not a great
communicator. He is not a good reader and hates
reading, but he is very audio-visual. If it is a
book, it needs to be short, like a booklet or a
pamphlet. Or maybe a teaching in several parts,
that I can print out and leave for him. It
may be possible that the power grid may come down here
in the U.S. if there was an EMP pulse detonated or
something of that nature, so we can't be sure that any
electronics would work. I think that after the
rapture when the SHTF, he will try to come back to look
for me or find me. His name is Mark. BTW, if
any Doves feel they have it in their gifting or in
their hearts to remember him in prayer, I would be so
So, Does anyone have any ideas about
what I can leave for him? Something concise,
to-the-point, not overly theological, basically
survival-oriented on how to be saved, and then
surviving or dying as a martyr in the Great
Tribulation. Knowing him, and that he is an
ex-military man, I imagine he will more than likely die
in a gun fight against a NWO enemy militant! I am
positive I am not the only Dove who has had this same
concern and request. I pray your ideas will help
lots of other Doves with the same concerns.
I will greatly appreciate any ideas or responses.