Hi Bruce,The answer to your question regarding the "Pretribers" NO! We do not despair! And we are just as convicted in that position as you are yours. And that is fine. We all go when God says it is time and not ourtime. WE ALL see through a dim mirror as Paul says, but then we will know...And when we are in the presence of our Lord none of our debates will matter anyway. So...no I told you so inglory. I'll leave that up to our Lord.Patty Hayes