Joe Hoyle (23 Sep 2004)
"REPLY TO NEIL LIPKEN"


HELLO NEIL,
 
  Thank you for your comments Neil.I agree with your own written thoughts; and I find myself saying that to fewer people today than ever before, because the delusion going on in the World today is great, and the resulting deception among many is also great, and is also increasing at a rapid rate, or so it seems, which leaves me working harder than ever trying to separate truth from untruth.
 
  Concerning the video, "911 In Plane Site"; I have came across a couple of people in recent days who also comes to this board, who have also seen the video, and they also are like minded with you concerning their thoughts on it.And I've heard of many more on Internet radio as well; so there are indeed many free thinkers out in the hinterland. 
 
 Now don't get me started on the Oklahoma City bombing; because I can post long on that as well; but I'm trying not to. <G>But I will say one thing about New York City and Oklahoma City, that is the same for the one and both of them.That being that the most truthful news reports that we got from both places those mornings, came from the very first reporters on the scene, and their original and uncensored reports that they put out, before the spin misters could take over and begin the news cleanup and sanitizing, that even today makes up for has been passed off as the "truth".
 
  Those first reports that are today buried in secure vaults, was the initial reports from police, firemen, and private citizens that they heard  multiple explosions going off inside all the buildings, both in NY and OC.And there was even one early report in OK of law enforcement types carrying out at least one unexploded bomb; but of course that report, like all the other first reports was quickly buried.
 
  Just the other night I was reading what an experienced engineer had to say about OC, this guy being a former government contractor, who was involved in creating deep underground bases and shelters; and who was very familiar with explosives.The following is a quote from the engineer concerning both the 1993 WTC bombing, as well as Oklahoma city:
 
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  I was hired not too long ago to do a report on the World Trade Center bombing. I was hired because I know about the 90 some-odd varieties of chemical explosives. I looked at the pictures taken right after the blast. The concrete was puddled and melted. The steel and the rebar was literally extruded up to six feet longer than its original length. There is only one weapon that can do that ~ a small nuclear weapon. That's a construction-type nuclear device. Obviously, when they say that it was a nitrate explosive that did the damage, they're lying 100%, folks. The people they have in custody probably didn't do the crime. As a matter of fact, I have reason to believe that the same group held in custody did do other crimes, such as killing a Jewish rabbi in New York. 
 
  "However, I want to further mention that with the last explosion in Oklahoma City, they are saying that it was a nitrate or fertilizer bomb that did it. First, they came out and said it was a 1,000 pound fertilizer bomb. Then, it was 1,500. Then 2,000 pounds. Now it's 20,000. You can't put 20,000 pounds of fertilizer in a Ryder Truck. Now, I've never mixed explosives, per se. I know the chemical structure and the application of construction explosives. My reputation was based on it. I helped hollow out more than 13 deep underground military bases in the United States. I worked on the Malta project, in West Germany, in Spain and in Italy. I can tell you from experience that a nitrate explosion would not have hardly shattered the windows of the federal building in Oklahoma City. It would have killed a few people and knocked part of the facing off the building, but it would never have done that kind of damage. I believe I have been lied to, and I am not taking it any longer, so I'm telling you that you've been lied to.
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  And speaking of Oklahoma City, a red flag for a lot of us was when Bill Clinton attended the memorial service for the victims out there; and he got up in front the victims families and talked about.......GUN CONTROL!They were after a gun control law, and at the same time, they wanted to put the squeeze on the patriot groups, who they wanted to paint as domestic type terrorists, and they used Tim McVeigh as their chief exhibit for that.And funny thing, membership in patriot groups did tail off and dropped off after that.But I heard a former general say the other day that McVeigh was never a member of any patriot group; but that he just hung around in the shadows with some of them, but never joined.McVeign was just another stooge out in front of the real plot and more sophisticated plotters.
 
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  (LUKE 21:36)
 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.
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