RESPONSE
THE
REVELATION 12 RAPTURE
Failed
Date Setting
by Luis B. Vega
vegapost@hotmail.com
www.PostScripts.org
The
purpose of this statement is in response to many questions
one has received about the failed Rapture date of the
Revelation 12 Sign phenomenon and requests to address it.
No, the Tribulation hasn't started yet. No, the Sign did
not place on the Feast of Trumpets. How one see Scripture,
the Rapture does not start the Tribulation, the
'confirming of the Covenant' does. A 'Sign' like a road
sign-post points to a coming designation; the sign is not
the event. Working at a University academic setting, one
has a higher degree of standards as in such an institution
there are safeguards in place like academic freedom, which
is fast being eroded. There is a pledge to not plagiarize,
or steal ideas or intellectual property, sighting sources,
asking for publication permission, etc.
Using
the Scientific Method, one is trained to establish
a theory on the bases of observation and repeatable
variables, etc. Thus one always uses, ‘it appears’, ‘it
looks like’ based on the evidence’, etc., but never can
one know 100%. Such is Biblical Prophecy in terms of the
Rapture timing, to the day except when given like in the
case of Jesus’
Triumphal Entry -to the day as revealed to Daniel.
However, the day and hour of the Rapture of the
Body of Christ is not the case. It was not meant to
be ‘knowable’. It is an ‘unknowable’ variable and answer.
Sadly, what the Revelation 12 Sign phenomenon exemplified
was the opposite of all such study methods and bad
exegesis of Scripture. Below is what one wrote in one of
the Revelation 12 blogs to offer some condolences and even
some perspective before the Sign occurred, but to no
avail.
As one of the Rev 12 Researchers that came down in
the ‘middle’ of all the theories about the Sign and its
possible alluding to the Rapture and its timing, it does
pain me to see fellow Brethren having their hopes
diminish. This is especially true every Feast of Trumpets
season anyway but it is compounded 100-fold with Rev 12
and its Rapture correlation. The hopes of many will be
dashed perhaps as the Rapture does not happen on the Feast
of Trumpet or the Sign on the 23rd. If it does? Awesome!
However …consider the millions of people worldwide that
because of this Rev 12 discussion, theory, have read the
book or Revelation for the first time or the Bible.
Consider the topic of the Sun, Moon and the Stars that has
been suppressed for 1000s of years and not taught in the
churches has caught the attention of many Pastors now.
Consider that the theme Revelation and the Sun, Moon and
the Stars is Jesus, and Him, alive and glorified with
power and authority and is to come back. People have
gotten saved, others have repented and yes, others have
hardened their hearts. Do realize that the scoffing and
ridicule is part of the ‘signs’ of the Days of Noah?
Did you all realize that? It had and has to come and
that is indicative of such a condition being lived-out in
real time now. The Rev 12 is a ‘Sign’ despite what
scoffers say and the more one studies it, it is just
amazing how many anomalies keep coming up…The ‘Sign’ is
for sure a cosmic time-marker, a turning point, and a sign
of a ‘rapture’. Now if how many have attributed to the
actual day, we’ll see shortly. If thereafter, remember
that perhaps the LORD is using such discussions and
suppositions to ‘sift’ the wheat from the tares perhaps.
But imagine how Noah and his family felt right up to the
closing of the door? Remember that our hope is not on
‘Signs’ but that Our Hope, our Blessed Hope is ‘built on
nothing less than Jesus Christ and His Righteousness.’ It
has been a wild ride!
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… Jesus first fulfilled the Spring Feast in His 1st
coming as He will the Fall Feasts in His 2nd coming
starting with Feast of Trumpets at the end of the Battle
of Armageddon, then Atonement when He cleanses the 3rd
Temple, is crowned as King and then on to Sukkot where He
will literally dwell with Man ushering in the Millennial
Kingdom. Based on the astronomical alignments, Jesus
appears to have been born on -3 BC. That was Feast of
Trumpets; conceived on the Hanukah prior in -4 BC. Jesus
as the Lamb of YHVH had to be examined, and proven. Thus
had to be designated as the candidate, which GOD the
Father publically announced as a man, the 2nd Adam, [The
Last Adam] baptized in our place and tested for 40 days,
etc.
His ministry had to be tested and its fruit examined.
Jesus told the disciples of John that the signs of His
miracles spoke for themselves, etc. Then for 10 days prior
to the Passover sacrifice, Jesus had to be examined like
the lambs were. So there actually 4 unfulfilled Feast
types yet to be fulfilled. The Pentecost Feast Age is not
yet completed until the harvest Rapture. It also follows
the Menorah pattern. The 70th week connotes ‘7’ as in 7
days in the week, thus 1 year to 1 day. The 70th Week of
Years is 7 years total, all inclusive of the Seal
Judgments for a total of 2520 days not including the 30
and so on additional days.
The
Fall Feasts are proven over and over so far, that they
should not be forced to be made to fulfill the Rapture
event of the
Body of Christ. The Fall Feasts are really all
about judgement. Elul is the month of judgment with the 40
days countdown to end on Atonement, a day of 'judgment'.
The Feast of Trumpets (FOT) starts the
10 Days of Awe which is an introspection to address
personal judgment of sin so at Atonement, the 'books are
opened' and one is found 'worthy' of a ‘next
year’. One sees in Scripture that it is Jesus, along
with the Bride that comes back on FOT as the final
'judgment' upon the world, at the end of the Battle of
Armageddon, etc.
The Rapture of the Bride of Christ cannot 'fit' in
these Fall Feast molds/patterns as it is not about
judgment but a wedding and rewards, a going to a 'chamber'
to be covered for protection as the indignation occurs or
judgment upon the world and Israel, etc. Sure, the
FOT does allude to a 'wedding' but so do all the other
Feasts to an extent. One can also ‘see’ even the Rapture
typology in all the Feasts. There is also so much other
End Times prophecy that has to occur before or in
conjunction with the Rapture. True, it is at the door, it
is almost there. However the 4th Feast, which is Pentecost
is the better candidate as it is not 'fulfilled' just yet
as most erroneously purport and teach.
Pentecost
is an ongoing, present and real-time spiritual harvest
taking place. It is the ‘intermission’ Feast where the
Gentiles are being grafted in, literally; think of a tree
and the Menorah. The grafting occurs on the main stock, as
is the 4th stem of the Menorah. This is the position Jesus
was at when revealed to John, called the 'Sun', the
'Servant Stem'. This is what ideally describes the
Commissioning of the Church, the Bride, being
servants and workers in the vineyard. Such are as
Ambassadors and that will not be recalled until 'war' is
declared and the last refugee, last stock or soul is
'harvested', etc. The Rapture of the Church, as a type of
John, the ‘Beloved’ occurs in chapter 4. It is the 1st of
the 7 Raptures in the whole book of Revelation as there is
a pattern of 7.
No,
the Revelation 12 vision was not fulfilled on September
23, 2017. The ‘Church’ was not ‘born’, the .33 of the
Fallen Angels were not cast down to Earth, Israel did not
flee to Petra. The AntiChrist has not pursued Israel, or
sit on the Ark of the Covenant in the 3rd
Temple, etc. If anything, the only fulfillment was that on
that day for some reason yet to be understood, the Creator
chose that day to approximate,
astronomically the depiction of the Vision of
Revelation 12 with the Sun, Moon and the Stars; that is
all. The Revelation 12 Sign was and is a point of
'retroactive prophecy' that synchronized past, present and
future typologies of Christ and His Body, etc. Now the
Pentecost harvest is at the end of Summer. A Summer season
is astronomically noted by the
Fall Equinox but that remains to be seen if that
'harvest' would or could coincide with a Fall Feast.
Nevertheless, until the Church stops making the mistake of
a Feast of a Trumpets Rapture, and date-setting the
Rapture event, it damages its credibility and message of
Jesus. As some have rightly pointed out this time around,
why is the Church beholding to the timing of Christ Body's
rapture to the unbelieving Jews at the blowing of their
trumpets? In part, it is due to the Jewish Roots movement.
At this point one could be sounding like a scoffer and it
is easy now that the Rapture Sign of Revelation 12 did not
happen as ‘expected’ by them all. As the original
Researcher of the Revelation 12 Sign since 2008, one said,
had been saying and is saying the same thing from the very
beginning. The ‘Wonder’ is a cosmic ‘Sign’ of a coming
‘Rapture’ but one could not, cannot say it is of the
Church of Christ, although possibly given the overlaying
typology of prophecy, it is a typology. Thus to question
such teaching or inferences within the Revelation 12
Community is not scoffing or mocking as some exclaim.
Mocking
and scoffing has come from the world and those that seek
to ridicule, that is expected but the Revelation 12
Rapture movement is just reaping what it sowed. One cannot
go beyond to imply a specific date and this is what
exactly happened. Sure, it could occur or could have
occurred but based on those safeguard and prophetic
parameters of experience and discipline of studying
prophecy noted, one would not and could not ‘go there’. In
all of the studies on the Revelation 12 presented by this
writer, one tried to tell in the studies, charts and
patterns for nearly 10 years that it was not going to be
the case. As one of the first ones to really study the
different angles of the Sign, in no way was the Revelation
12 Sign ascribed to the day of 'The Rapture' on that
specific date. It is a 'Sign of a Rapture' but the
sensationalism of personalities of the YouTube generation
and age got the best of the Church now. The
Body of Christ has not done its homework in terms
of prophecy.
The
Church, in the West/America primarily has now relied on
less than prepared and studied-up YouTube personalities to
do that for them. As most of the Church has been
‘dumbed-down’ theologically with just entertainment and
short sermonettes, such have really no context or
reference to detect theological error and it will not end
here. Next year, there will be another 'sign' and other
personalities, etc. This is not to say that one has
arrived or knows it all but certain depositions of a
Disciple or 'Pupil' of Jesus is in order as well as the
need for accountability and responsibility. One day the
world will ban Christianity and the Bible for the
'insanity' that they believe is induced upon a person to
the point of psychosis because of such failed Rapture and
end of the world date-setting predictions.
Scott
Clarke-Eternal
Rhythm Flow
Sensationalized the Sign and introduced new theology
that the Church Body is not ‘Born Again’ and is
separated from the ‘Head’, Jesus until it is to be
reunited on the 23rd of September 2017, which he stated
on several videos that it would be the Rapture, when the
Body of Christ would be ‘born again’ at that time. He
had predicted the Rapture during the Fall Feasts in 2014
as well.
Steve
Sewell-Heavenly
Sign 2017
Emphatically and unapologetically insisted on his ‘full
proof’ timeline of the Rapture to be on the 20th of
September and not the 23rd although had a prior revision
to his timeline already.
David Meade-Planet X News
Predicts that Planet X will cause an ‘unexpected
eclipse’ on October 5 that causes the darkness to come
all over the Earth as part of the Revelation 12 Sign.
Jaco Prinsloo-God’s Road Map to the End
Presented the notion that Planet X was to collide and
take the bottom portion of Jupiter out on the
culmination of the Revelation 12 Sign on the 23rd.
Michael Rood-A Rood Awakening
Moved to Jerusalem to await the beginning of the
Apocalypse of Revelation that was to start on the 23rd
of September and the Revelation 12 Sign was just the
beginning of the Celestial War in Heaven and the
thermonuclear exchange on Earth at that time.
James Mueke-Great Sign of September 23, 2017
Amazing video, voice and graphics detailing the facts
about the Revelation 12 alignment but then went on to
prognosticate that a ‘Great Firestorm’ would sweep the
world and Planet X would eclipse the Sun to cause
worldwide darkness, a judgment on Islam, etc.
Mark Biltz-El Shaddai Ministries
Sensationalized the Blood Moon phenomenon and suggested
the Rapture was to concur with the end of the Shemitah
Cycle in 2015. He come on the 11th hour on
the Revelation 12 Sign hysteria and made it seem as
though he had to do with its discovery and research.
All
of these Researchers insist that they got the ‘revelation’
from the ‘LORD’ and from Scripture. No they didn’t. It is
the fallacy that such have misinterpreted the information
and have injected a personal interpretation that has not
squared-off with Scripture. Moreover, of course the
secular media has had a field day intentionally also,
sensationalizing it and misreporting and helping even more
discredit Christianity.
It
has been blown-out of proportion the supposed ‘Day of the
Rapture’, the ‘End of the World’, and the ‘Appearing of
Nibiru’ with the ‘3 Days of Darkness’, etc. Where did this
come from? This pleases nothing more than some of the Jews
that are Luciferians that control the 6 major media
conglomerates, the 6 major banks and the 6 major
governmental agencies in America that seek to undermine
the authority, credibility and influence of Christianity
in society and people’s lives. Followers of Jesus Christ
that teach and preach the Gospel are already labeled crazy
and nut cases as it is. The date-setting for the Rapture
just gives more fuel to the fire and un-needed stress and
disappointment for the
Body of Christ. All such prophetic events are
Biblical and will occur but it is the wrong timing.
There is nothing wrong with discussions and studies about
the Rapture or its possible seasons, patterns or the signs
in the Sun, Moon and the Stars. Jesus Himself admonished
His Followers to be aware of such phenomena. But people
cannot resist to date set the Rapture or Jesus’ 2nd
coming, week upon week, year upon year, Jewish Feast day
upon another, etc. This trend will unfortunately continue
to the very end. Already the advocates of the
date-sitting crowd have gone on the record that
'although they were wrong, the timeframe is still
sound.' What? A bad tree cannot produce good fruit,
but the
Church Body will still fall for it.
There
is just so much pride, one cannot see how Jesus can bless
such with His type of revelation. Instead of saying, ok,
yes, I or we were wrong, we need to reconsider and study
more and have a measure of humility, it is not the case.
Their demeanor is stubbornness on the contrary and it is
like Israel when the towers fell, they vowed ‘to build
higher and stronger ones’ in Isaiah 9.
'I will not be dissuaded by the scoffers and mockers'
and neither by their fellow Brethren that say the same in
love?
To
them, anybody that disagrees with their timelines or
Rapture dates is automatically a mocker and scoffer, not
the case. Others that purported the Rapture of the Church
date in the Revelation 12 Sign, are now excusing
themselves, 'Don't pin it on me'...if I'm wrong. 'I
never said it was going to be on that date.'
Yes they did. That was the whole reason for the videos
and even introducing ‘new theology’ that apparently the
Church Fathers ‘had it all wrong’ of the theology
given to the Church and their interpretation. The point of
all the teaching and videos strongly suggested that the
specific Sign was to coincide with the specific date as
being the ‘Rapture’ of the Church even though it is
impossible to estimate the time interval between verses as
noted.
There
has to be some accountability and responsibility and this
current wave or Rapture date-setters of the Revelation 12
Sign are not fessing-up to it. Again, one is not the
judge of such ministries or studies or bad theology in
one’s assessment. One is free to spiritualize and perhaps
draw some prophetic parallels and patterns as one does and
is at the core of the studies presented on this
Eschatology Studies website. However, one can be wrong as
to the inferences and interpretations given, as now it is
such the case. One has only published the observable
attributes of the Revelation 12 Sign in a balanced and
rationale manor over these nearly 10 years of study, which
is just one portion of the subjects covered and presented
for study on the website.
Sure
enough, as every year there is a scramble now to interject
that there is a 7 day delay, no a 21 day delay,
etc....Sure and then you have the naysayer crowd that
always use
'No one knows the day or the hour' verse for
everything. Jesus is prophesized to be born in Bethlehem!
‘No one knows the day or the hour’. Hey, Jesus is
going to give the Sign of Jonah; will be 3 days
dead and rise on the Sabbath!!! ‘No one knows the day
or the hour.’ Hey! Jesus said to wait for Him in the
Upper Room and that later on, He will be sending
down the Holy Spirit! ‘No one knows the day or the
hour.’ Right off the bat, such who use this verse to
excuse any sort of prophecy they can’t understand or
explain, shows their ignorance and lack of depth of study
of its context. For example, the Scriptures teach that
even Jesus, GOD incarnate as a human, (the
Hypostatic Union) a man ‘grew in wisdom and
stature’….What?! Jesus, as a human was limited in His
revelation… apparently as a baby, adolescent and man, yes.
Yet
He came from Eternity
where He knew and knows all things, past, present and
future. This is an example of how our finite minds cannot
comprehend all that is divine. Daniel the prophet even did
not understand some of the revelation given to him, nor
did John. So, at that time, yes perhaps Jesus did not
‘know’ when the 2nd coming would take place,
due to His human intellectual limitation of not being able
to ‘know’ all things. But now that He has been
resurrected, ascended and rose to sit on High, He does
know. Moreover, Jesus held that generation accountable for
not heading the ‘Signs’ of determining His 1st
coming to the exact day! It will be no different for the
Jews during the
Great Tribulation. They will be able to know the
exact day as it is given. It will be 1260 days or 42
months from the cessation of the
Daily Sacrifices or Oblations, whenever that is. It
will be a time where they can count to the 2nd
coming –to the day.
Based on ones study of the prophetic patterns, Feast and
Menorah, Jesus will return on a Feast of Trumpets on some
specific year as He first came at His birth on the Feast
of Trumpets, if -3 BC is correct. It is not the Rapture
that Jesus was alluding to but the start of the Great
Tribulation or the 2nd half, the Time
of Jacob’s Trouble. Which, by the way is and will be
synchronized to the Revelation 12 Sign’s correct timing
and fulfillment as the Woman is given the wings to flee,
etc. As it literally was played-out then in 70 AD as a
foreshadowing, the literal fulfilment will it be at the
mid-point of the 7-year Tribulation. The concept of the
Rapture doctrine was not even mentioned by Jesus or given
in context to the Disciples at that time. The notion of a
‘Gentile Age of the Church’ was not really understood in
its totality as the Disciples represented a dispensation
that was totally Jewish in thought, practice, customs and
eschatology.
Thus, such will be the culmination of Daniel’s 70th
Week of Years to finish that time of Israel’s
discipline, not the Bride’s. Jesus did not want to confuse
them. It was until Paul that the LORD developed the notion
and concept of the
Bride of Christ and the subsequent Rapture doctrine
of her as promised in the
Upper Room. Such a Rapture doctrine was precisely
for the Church. However, the credibility of any further
'Rapture' date setting from
Watchers after this firestorm may never fully
recover...Then after the 23rd, the going to the
24th at the 11th hours as the possible timing of the
Rapture, one just cringed inside and now a possible
‘Jubilee Rapture’ on this coming Yom Kippur?
This
moving of the goal post is because the same at this point
are grasping at air for the Rapture. What does the Rapture
have to do with a Jubilee and one that even the expert
Biblical Scholars can’t determine accurately much less
confirm that it will start in 2017? The ground-breaking
work of introducing Astro-Biblical inferences tied to
prophecy back into the Church has taken a big hit too. The
Rapture will happen, it is so close, the Sign was and is
awesome and relevant; it is a Rapture Sign. The Manchild
is both inferencing the Church Body and Israel as 2
different words were used. It is really a picture of a
dual pregnancy as in twins as many of the types in the
Bible have demonstrated. However, it is not the Church
that is being 'born' but Christ that is being born in the
Church; it is backwards. So this new take on the theology
of being separate from the Head and not being 'born' yet
corporately until the Revelation 12 Sign on September 23rd
didn't help either.
Galatians
4:18-20
Nevertheless,
it is good to be zealous if it serves a noble purpose—at
any time, and not only when I am with you. My children, for whom I am again in
the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in
you, how I wish I could be with you now
and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you.
1
Peter 1:22-23
Since
you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth,
so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love
one another deeply, from a pure heart. For you [all] have been born
again, not of perishable Seed, but of
imperishable, through the living and enduring Word of
God.
The
Apostles are addressing the various congregations and are
talking in the context of a corporate body, not
individuals. So the Body is born already, it has just
needed to mature. This process is called the Church
Age. It should really be seen as the Bible portrays
it, a harvest of that which is born and alive, in Christ.
Those within the Revelation 12 Community have an
obligation to address these issues as a measure of
responsibility. To a degree, there is a measure of denial
as it is hard to admit when what one thought was to take
place did not. However, what always happens is that as the
anticipated date passes, another one immediately takes its
place. When a full-proof timeline does pan out,
immediately an alternate timeline is given. Those within
the Revelation 12 Community have to address this for the
benefit of the Body.
We do appreciate the work, contribution and quest to
inform and provide the platform to educate others about
the Revelation 12 Sign. However, there is a difference in
what was promised by the LORD to do that was communicated,
that is concrete and that one could latch one’s faith
to...despite one’s doubts and fears. However, the timing
of the Rapture has not been given to the Body to know the
specific day. There is also the misunderstanding of what
the ‘Last Trump’ really means. Thus, such prognosticators
will always miss the mark because one applies the same
faith template and expects different results. In the
secular parallel, this is the cliché definition of what
insanity is even though clinically it is not.
