Paul Wilson (28 Oct 2011)
"RE: RE Paul Wilson RE Gentiles"

I disagree that the rapture is the “fullness of the gentiles”. I believe we are NOT in the trib and the fullness of the gentiles happens, at the very least, in the first half AFTER the rapture and at most right before the bowls are poured out in the last few days of the trib. I believe there is a number that must be reached for the rapture to take place but that number isn't the final number. the final number is in the trib. those martyred during the trib are mentioned to be of every nation and tongue and kindred and people. obviously gentiles. also after the second appearance of the 144,000 a angel goes to preach to every nation tongue kindred and people. there will be saved from amongst them.  also there are plenty of gentiles who have never heard the word God would not condemn them without giving them a change in the trib to come to him. those who have rejected him will be deluded those who have not rejected him but have not accepted either will be given the chance to come to him. I think many Catholics and others who have been lied to from the pulpit will be saved in the trib when they are taught the truth as they haven't rejected God but never truly accepted him either.
Bruce Warner (27 Oct 2011)
"RE: Paul Wilson RE: Gentiles"

Hi Paul,

Romans 11:25
"that blindness in part has happened to Israel UNTIL THE FULLNESS OF THE GENTILES HAS COME IN."

Do you really think that any 'more Gentiles' will 'come in' after "the FULLNESS of the Gentiles has come in"? "Fullness" is a key word here! To me this Scripture is telling us that the "blindness" of Israel will be lifted after "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in" by virtue of the rapture, and then the Jews will be able to see the 'Truth'. God will transfer the pre-rapture "blindness" of Israel into the post-rapture "strong delusion" for the non-believer Gentiles.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie."

You can disagree with my words, but you cannot disagree with the words of Scripture.

YBIC, Bruce Warner