Hi John and Doves!  I really enjoy the work that is going on here trying to figure everything out.  I believe I may be able to help a little bit, not because of anything I know, but what the Lord has brought to me, one of His servants.  I have known about this for a couple months I guess, but posts on 5 Doves today brought it home so to speak.  Here we go!
                   Three days in a row, the Lord opened my Bible to Haggai.  So, I read it, and I asked the Lord on day 3, just what it was He wanted me to see.  I am a member of another forum and I had posted in the past that I thought the passage in Haggai where Haggai prophecies 3 times on Kislev 24 (the 24th day of the ninth month) might be a clue to something.  Anyway, the Holy Spirit said "the date, the date, the date!"  So I figured December 20 must be significant.  The next day, once again my Bible opened to Haggai, so once again I asked what else the Lord wanted me to see, so I looked closely and there it was!
                    In Haggai 2:19, Is the seed still in the barn?  As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit.  But from this day  I will bless you.
                    There it was!  Kislev 24 is the day after Hannukah, which is the celebration of light overcoming darkness. Posts on 5 Doves today mentioned that the olive harvest continues up to the time of Hannukah. It is interesting too that the Pope is also known as the glory of the olive.  Dayanna Torchia has posted the rapture date as the 21st of a future month as shown to her by the Lord, so this in my mind is a real possibility.
                     Verse 23 states that He will take Zerubbabel and make him like a signet ring.  This is a reference to the 144000, so I would say this may definitely be the time they are gathered.  Zerubbabel and Joshua are the prototypes for the 144000.  Did you know they were descendants of King David.
                      It is also very interesting that the gestation and birth scenario ends on Hannukah, so I am expecting the birthing of the sons of God right after Hannukah.  I have not studied enough to know if the rapture comes after the 144000 are gathered up, but maybe the 144000 are gathered on December 20 and the rapture is on the 21st.
                       Altogether, I find this very intriguing and I wanted to share it with all of you.  I pray the seed is leaving the barn!!!!
 
                       God Bless!  
                            Doran