Hello, John and Doves,

 

Chris M, the scripture that you have questions about,

"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint."  Psalm 22:14,

did in fact come true.

 

The first part, "poured out like water," refers to the tremendous thirst a crucified person

would develop.  Sure, the wounds clot after a while, but you have to push up on your feet

and pull yourself up with your outstretched arms to take a deep breath every once in a while.

 

The Romans designed crucifixion so that there was enough slack in your arms that you could

sit on a little slanted seat, so as to take some of the stress off the feet and wrists.  However,

you could only breathe in a shallow fashion, since your torso was stretched out.

 

Sooner or later, you had to take a deep breath (about 2 to 5 minutes), and the bleeding would

start all over again.  Just think of yourself as giving up a pint of blood every hour or so.

You lose whole blood, so you lose water and red blood cells.  You have to breathe deeply

more often to keep your blood oxygenated--the agony multiplies.

 

Now, if you realize that Jesus had already been whipped within an inch of His life, you know

He had already lost a lot of blood.

 

As for the second part, "all my bones are out of joint," think of a chiropractor having gone over

to the "dark side."  Let's say he learned how to ease joint pain, but Satan turned that knowledge

to an evil use.  Our Lord, Jesus, must have suffered torture that would have driven any other man

to an irretrievably dark place.  Then we couldn't have trusted His famous seven statements from

the Cross.  But Our Lord endured the full penalty for our sin, yet without failure on His part.

 

In conclusion, you can be dead sure of the complete veracity of all scripture, all of it having been

inspired by God.  [2 Timothy 3:16]

 

In HaShem,

Mike C.

 

Chris M (29 Oct 2010)
"Psalm 22 and Revelation 19"

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I have a question about whether there is a relationship between these two verses. I think their might be; but not sure yet. I remembered the passage below in Rev. 19 when I read the one in Psalm 22. I guess I am wondering who is saying this; who is it about.

"I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you. You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!" ~ Psalm 22:22-23

And, this one from Revelation:

"Then a voice came from the throne, saying: "Praise our God, all you his servants, you who fear him, both small and great!"" ~ Rev. 19:5

I think the small and great are referring to the size of the group here because immediately after this John says "then I heard what sounded like a great multitude..." Which has me wondering if the Psalm 22:22-23 passage is a prophecy about this voice from the throne in Revelation. The descendants of Jacob could be a reference to the Jews, whereas the descendants of Israel could be a reference to the Gentiles who received the LORD. The Gentiles will be greater in number than the Jews.

Also, I always thought Psalm 22 was entirely a prophecy about Jesus, but then I read verse 14 and recall no passage about Jesus' bones being all out of joint.

"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint." ~ Psalm 22:14

Actually, I can't even imagine what a person would look like if all their bones were out of joint. The body would have to be beaten pretty severely for that to be accomplished. Reminds me of the verse in Isaiah 52:14 "His appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness."

However, this is a well known verse which does relate to a prophecy fulfilled by Jesus.

"They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing."  ~ Psalm 22:18

So, I'm wondering if Psalm 22 is a prophecy about someone else who would drink of the cup the LORD drank. I remember when James and John's mother came to ask Jesus if her sons could sit at his right and left in his kingdom. Jesus reply was, "You don't know what you are asking, can you drink the cup I am going to drink?" ~ Matt 20:22

The other passages that come to mind are the prophecy about Jesus from Jacob's blessing on Judah "He will tether his donkey to a vine, his colt to the choicest branch." ~ Gen. 49:11 Then Isaiah 11:1 "A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit." And, finally back to Genesis 49:22 for the prophecy about Joseph (the prince among his brothers) from Jacob's blessing, "Joseph is a fruitful vine, a fruitful vine near a spring, whose branches climb over a wall."

There sure are a lot of 11's and 22's in there by the way; just noticed those numbers popping up here. Could these verses be related to the two lamp stands and the two olive trees that stand before the Lord of the earth, which are the two witnesses at the end? ~Rev. 11:4