John and Doves,
M, the scripture that you have questions about,
"I am poured out like
water, and all my bones are out of joint." Psalm
did in fact come true.
The first part, "poured out like water," refers to the
tremendous thirst a crucified person
would develop. Sure, the wounds clot after a while,
but you have to push up on your feet
and pull yourself up with your outstretched arms to take a
deep breath every once in a while.
The Romans designed crucifixion so that there was enough
slack in your arms that you could
sit on a little slanted seat, so as to take some of
the stress off the feet and wrists.
could only breathe in a shallow fashion, since your torso was stretched
Sooner or later, you had to take a deep breath (about 2
to 5 minutes), and the bleeding would
start all over again. Just think of yourself as
giving up a pint of blood every hour or so.
lose whole blood, so you lose water and red blood cells. You have to
more often to keep your blood oxygenated--the agony
Now, if you realize that Jesus had already been whipped
within an inch of His life, you know
had already lost a lot of blood.
for the second part, "all my bones are out of joint," think of a chiropractor
having gone over
the "dark side." Let's say he learned how to ease joint pain, but Satan
turned that knowledge
an evil use. Our Lord, Jesus, must have suffered torture that would
have driven any other man
an irretrievably dark place. Then we couldn't have trusted His famous
seven statements from
Cross. But Our Lord endured the full penalty for our sin, yet without
failure on His part.
conclusion, you can be dead sure of the complete veracity of all scripture, all
of it having been
inspired by God. [2 Timothy
Chris M (29 Oct
"Psalm 22 and
I have a question about whether there is a relationship between these two
verses. I think their might be; but not sure yet. I remembered the passage
below in Rev. 19 when I read the one in Psalm 22. I guess I am wondering who
is saying this; who is it about.
"I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will
praise you. You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob,
honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!" ~ Psalm 22:22-23
And, this one from Revelation:
"Then a voice came from the throne, saying: "Praise our God, all you his
servants, you who fear him, both small and great!"" ~ Rev. 19:5
I think the small and great are referring to the size of the group here
because immediately after this John says "then I heard what sounded like a
great multitude..." Which has me wondering if the Psalm 22:22-23 passage is a
prophecy about this voice from the throne in Revelation. The descendants of
Jacob could be a reference to the Jews, whereas the descendants of Israel
could be a reference to the Gentiles who received the LORD. The Gentiles will
be greater in number than the Jews.
Also, I always thought Psalm 22 was entirely a prophecy about Jesus, but
then I read verse 14 and recall no passage about Jesus' bones being all out of
"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint." ~ Psalm
Actually, I can't even imagine what a person would look like if all their
bones were out of joint. The body would have to be beaten pretty severely for
that to be accomplished. Reminds me of the verse in Isaiah 52:14 "His
appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond
However, this is a well known verse which does relate to a prophecy
fulfilled by Jesus.
"They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing."
~ Psalm 22:18
So, I'm wondering if Psalm 22 is a prophecy about someone else who would
drink of the cup the LORD drank. I remember when James and John's mother came
to ask Jesus if her sons could sit at his right and left in his kingdom. Jesus
reply was, "You don't know what you are asking, can you drink the cup I am
going to drink?" ~ Matt 20:22
The other passages that come to mind are the prophecy about Jesus from
Jacob's blessing on Judah "He will tether his donkey to a vine, his colt to
the choicest branch." ~ Gen. 49:11 Then Isaiah 11:1 "A shoot will come up from
the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit." And, finally
back to Genesis 49:22 for the prophecy about Joseph (the prince among his
brothers) from Jacob's blessing, "Joseph is a fruitful vine, a fruitful vine
near a spring, whose branches climb over a wall."
There sure are a lot of 11's and 22's in there by the way; just noticed
those numbers popping up here. Could these verses be related to the two lamp
stands and the two olive trees that stand before the Lord of the earth, which
are the two witnesses at the end? ~Rev. 11:4