John and Doves,
Jovial, you seem to be laboring under quite a few
neat timeline that fits all of the Time of Jacob's Trouble into the 70th week of
consider Tim La Haye's excellent book, Revelation
if you disagree with the timeline, to say that Israel must suffer 90 months or
borders on the ridiculous, if not outright
scriptures say, whom the LORD loves, He chastens.
to spank, and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, and keep on
keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, and keep on
keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, is clearly child
Doves will attest to the fact that our Abba adores whom He loves, though He
Please, please, restrain from making our loving God out
to be a meanie!!
loves the sinner, else He would not have endured the stripes and the
name of our Blessed Savior,
Jovial (12 Oct
"The 3 Woes will
last MORE THAN 90 months, so 2008-2015 can't be "the 7-year trib"
Ron has claimed that the "7-tear trib"
period began in October 2008. Let me show why this can't be
by showing the logical inconsistency. If that were true, we'd be 2 years
into the 7 year period, and as of today, we still don't have the two witnesses
mentioned in Rev 11 which really kills that timing !!!!!! I put that in
quotes because the tribulation period will last longer than 7
Rev 8:13 announces 3 Woes that will follow the
tribulations that occur in Rev 4-8. We're also told they will happen in
Woe #1 = Trumpet #5:
Rev 9:10 lists beasts "like scorpions" that will
torture for 5 months. That hasn't happened
Then Rev 9:12 says "One woe is past; behold, there come two woes more
hereafter." Note how this
is telling us the 3 Woes MUST COME IN SEQUENCE!!!!!!!
Woe #2 = Trumpet #6:
Rev 9:13 : 1/3 of mankind destroyed.
Rev 10: The 7 thunders.
Rev 11: The 2 witnesses for 3.5 years.
The rise from the dead after 3.5 years.
Rev 11:14 says "The
second woe is past; behold, the third woe cometh
Woe #3 = Trumpet
Rev 12-17 discusses the final 42 months before
the return of the Messiah.
- Woe #1 lasts 5 months or more. It hasn't happened
- Woe #2 lasts 3.5 years plus 3.5 days plus however long
it takes to kill off one third of the planet, which is probably better than
a week I'm guessing. So dating this as "Over 43 months" is no
- Woe #3: 42 months.
Add this up the 3 Woes are MORE THAN 5 +
43 + 42 = 90 months. that's more than 7 years (84 months). And 90
months is just a minimum.
First off, stop trying to put the whole
trib period into a 7 year box and the timing of Revelation will start to make
a lot of sense. We're told explicitly that these 3 WOE periods DO NOT
overlap. One comes after the other. And they add up to more than 7
years. We're not sure how much more, but it's more than 7 years.
Yeshua cannot return to earth in 2015,
because there's at least 90 months of prophecy prior to His return that has
not yet been fulfilled.