Dear John and Doves,

 

Jovial, you seem to be laboring under quite a few misconceptions.

For a neat timeline that fits all of the Time of Jacob's Trouble into the 70th week of Daniel,

please consider Tim La Haye's excellent book, Revelation Unveiled.

 

Even if you disagree with the timeline, to say that Israel must suffer 90 months or more

borders on the ridiculous, if not outright insanity.

 

The scriptures say, whom the LORD loves, He chastens.

 

Well, to spank, and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking,

and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking,

and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, and keep on spanking, is clearly child abuse.

 

Many Doves will attest to the fact that our Abba adores whom He loves, though He can be

strict.

 

Please, please, restrain from making our loving God out to be a meanie!!

 

He loves the sinner, else He would not have endured the stripes and the cross!!

 

In the name of our Blessed Savior,

Mike C.

 

Jovial (12 Oct 2010)
"The 3 Woes will last MORE THAN 90 months, so 2008-2015 can't be "the 7-year trib" period"

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Ron has claimed that the "7-tear trib" period began in October 2008.    Let me show why this can't be by showing the logical inconsistency.  If that were true, we'd be 2 years into the 7 year period, and as of today, we still don't have the two witnesses mentioned in Rev 11 which really kills that timing !!!!!!  I put that in quotes because the tribulation period will last longer than 7 years.

 

Rev 8:13 announces 3 Woes that will follow the tribulations that occur in Rev 4-8.  We're also told they will happen in sequence.

 

 

Woe #1 = Trumpet #5:

Rev 9:10 lists beasts "like scorpions" that will torture for 5 months.  That hasn't happened yet.

 

Then Rev 9:12 says  "One woe is past; behold, there come two woes more hereafter."   Note how this is telling us the 3 Woes MUST COME IN SEQUENCE!!!!!!!

 

 

Woe #2 = Trumpet #6:

Rev 9:13 : 1/3 of mankind destroyed.

Rev 10: The 7 thunders.

Rev 11: The 2 witnesses for 3.5 years.

The rise from the dead after 3.5 years.

 

Rev 11:14 says "The second woe is past;  behold, the third woe cometh quickly. "

 

 

Woe #3 = Trumpet #7:

 

Rev 12-17 discusses the final 42 months before the return of the Messiah.

 

Note That

• Woe #1 lasts 5 months or more.  It hasn't happened yet.
• Woe #2 lasts 3.5 years plus 3.5 days plus however long it takes to kill off one third of the planet, which is probably better than a week I'm guessing.  So dating this as "Over 43 months" is no stretch.
• Woe #3: 42 months.

 

Add this up the 3 Woes are MORE THAN 5 + 43 + 42 = 90 months.  that's more than 7 years (84 months).  And 90 months is just a minimum. 

 

First off, stop trying to put the whole trib period into a 7 year box and the timing of Revelation will start to make a lot of sense.  We're told explicitly that these 3 WOE periods DO NOT overlap.  One comes after the other.  And they add up to more than 7 years.  We're not sure how much more, but it's more than 7 years. 

 

Yeshua cannot return to earth in 2015, because there's at least 90 months of prophecy prior to His return that has not yet been fulfilled.

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