Hi:
> > My take is that our atmosphere
is the first ‘heavens’ the Bible speaks of; the second heaven is outside of our
atmosphere and encompassing the whole of the Universe, all of which will pass
away and become new; the ‘third’ heaven Paul is speaking of is that spiritual
realm outside of our three-dimensional space and time.
That is exactly how I outsmarted myself
for many years. I went by that because a similar note was printed in my
Bible. Every time I would think something sounded like Saturn, I'd say to
myself, "Nah, that can't be."
Until the day I looked up the word
sapphire in my Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. It said sapphire meant dear to
the planet Saturn from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. I whispered
to myself, "Then its true," as goosebumps like electricity ran all over my
body for quite awhile.
Oh wow! then Eze 1:28 is talking
about Saturn's rings. It says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the
cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the
brightness round about."
In 1:1, Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of
God. Where did he see God? The only possible place is in verse 26.
It says, "And above the
firmament (expanse of space) that was over their
heads was the likeness of a throne, as the
appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne
was the likeness as the appearance of
a MAN above upon it." Then this "MAN" is the God/man Jesus Christ, the
Redeemer (Isa. 44:6). And he is sitting on a sapphire throne that has brightness
like the rainbow all around it.
Ex 24:10 also mentions sapphire. It says, "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and
as it were the body of heaven (i.e., as if it were the
heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."
Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in September. His
birthstone is the sapphire, which means heaven. Saturn's symbol is an "h" for
heaven. How many tips do we need?
The "God of Israel" sits on a sapphire
throne and rests his feet on a sapphire pavement. Why? So the wise can
understand where the throne of this God/man is located.
It is Paradise, the "third heaven" Paul was caught up to in II
Cor. 12:2-4.
Josephus, a Pharisee priest, indicated that
the 7 lamps on the lampstand stood for the Sun (the western
lamp that was always to be kept burning), Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars,
Jupiter and Saturn (Ant. III. VI. 7, on Whiston's page 73, and Wars V.
V. 5, on page 555). From Earth, which lamp represented the third heaven?
The Sun or Saturn? Venus isn't even in the
running.
> > 2
Peter 1:19 We
have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take
heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn,
and the day star arise in your hearts
The Analytical-Literal Translation (ALT) says,
"And we have the prophetic word [made] more certain
[or,
confirmed], to which you* do well [to be] paying close attention to, as a lamp shining in a dark place, until
[the] day dawns and a MORNING STAR arises
in your hearts [fig., inner selves];
Strong's G5459 says, "phosphoros...light
bearing ("phosphorus"), that is, (specifically) the morning
star (figuratively): - day star."
Therefore, it too is specifically talking about Christ
being the morning star.
> > Jesus distinctly says that he is the lampros or
BRIGHT and ‘morning star’ meaning metaphorically brilliant,
splendid or magnificent (G2986). Venus is the brightest of any
object in the sky even at its dimmest crescent phase, surpassed only by the
Sun (-26.74) and the Moon (-12.92) whereas Saturn (+1.47) is the
dimmest visible planet in our solar system, at its brightest phase
(-0.49).
However, over Jerusalem at dawn on Cheshvan 17, 5771, Saturn will
be the only morning star. Saturn will still be UP ahead of the
Sun, and Venus will still be SET, following the Sun.
> > Does this indicate that Jesus (the morning star)
will come just before dawn, in the middle (morning) of that last
day (tribulation time period)?
Not to me. Rev 22:16-17 is talking about his coming at the First-Trump
Rapture of the church, not at Mid-Trib. It says, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in
the churches. I am the root (YHWH) and the offspring of David,
and the bright and morning star.
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come."
My grandson just rushed in to tell me to come see a magnificent
rainbow. It was very thick and complete. We could see both ends. We were
centered facing the fantastic thing. It looked like it was over the 215
freeway at March Air Reserve Base, about 5 miles from us, about where the
tornado touched down awhile back. I could just barely pick out a
second bow above that one. I wished I could see it more clearly. I
could see it best with my sunglasses on and by shading my eyes with my hands.
The sky was light underneath and dark above it. Thank you Lord for the sign
of your covenant. In Jesus' name, Amen.
In Gen 9:13, the Lord
said, "I do set my bow
in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the
earth."
About half an hour later, I went out for food and stopped at the grocery
store on the way back. When I walked out of Ralph's at Troutwein and Allesandro,
another similar rainbow was facing me, but it was much closer than the first
one. It looked like it was just a little east of the shopping center. It was so
gorgeous. The colors were much clearer because it was so close to me. I had no
trouble seeing it clearly. I hated to get in the van and drive home. What a
treat. What a beautiful sign. Thank you Lord.
Kevin Heckle (30 Sep
2010)
"Re: Kevin Heckle:
"Morning Star""
Marilyn,
Below
I’ve posted 2 Peter 1:19 wherein the Spirit speaks of the ‘day star’,
metaphorically speaking of Christ ‘RISING’ in our hearts and certainly lights
the way in the darkest time before dawn.
2
Peter 1:19 We
have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye
take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day
dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
φωσφόρος
(Strong’s G5459) day star-phosphorus as defined by the
Thayer’s Lexicon as ‘light bringing, giving light; the planet Venus,
the morning star, day star; metaphorically Christ
1
Corinthians 15:41 says that each celestial body has its own glory for
“one star differeth from another star in glory”. Jesus distinctly
says that he is the lampros or BRIGHT and ‘morning star’
meaning metaphorically brilliant, splendid or magnificent (G2986).
Venus is the brightest of any object in the sky even at its
dimmest crescent phase, surpassed only by the Sun (-26.74) and the Moon
(-12.92) whereas Saturn (+1.47) is the dimmest visible planet in
our solar system, at its brightest phase (-0.49). Saturn is outshined by
Sirius, Canopus, Alpha-Centauri, Arcturus and Vega which are the top brightest
stars beyond the Sun.
The
faintest object visible during the day must exceed -4.00 apparent
magnitude (negative number is higher) and Venus is the ONLY ‘day
star’ that can exceed that at -4.67 apparent magnitude making it the
only possible ‘day star’. It literally can be the ONLY ‘day star’ as
metaphorically speaking of Jesus, the BRIGHT and Morning
Star.
As
for Jesus throne being Saturn, I find that a stretch. The sun, moon and
stars were creations intended to signify time and as special signs not
the literal throne of the Lord. This whole creation groans in travail,
the heavens (1st and 2nd) waiting to pass away and
become new. I know Paul’s being caught up to the third heaven has been
debated here before. My take is that our atmosphere is the first
‘heavens’ the Bible speaks of; the second heaven is outside of our atmosphere
and encompassing the whole of the Universe, all of which will pass away and
become new; the ‘third’ heaven Paul is speaking of is that spiritual realm
outside of our three-dimensional space and time. There may well be higher
levels of heaven, as Enoch so indicates and Jesus also says that there are
many dwelling places there.
My
point about any ‘morning star’ as rising with the Sun, may well be
visible before the sun rises. However, as a morning star delineates TIME
(as God intended) and seasons, the point at which it is rising exactly with
the Sun, is sort of like the second hand on a clock meeting with the minute
hand. Marking morning appearances of heavenly objects with the sun has
been used since the beginning. The seasons of the planets, stars and
moon or combination can demarcate time specifically. An object that is
visible at the zenith at midnight, was most likely rising at SUNDOWN in the
east and will set at DAWN in the west.
Now
if the Hebrew day starts at sundown (marking also the end of the day),
darkness lasting 12 hours and daylight, 12 hours (more or less) an ‘evening
and morning’. Dawn is the middle of one Hebrew day, the beginning
of ‘morning’ which lasts 12 hours (John 11:9) until the end of the day,
‘evening’. Does this indicate that Jesus (the morning star) will come
just before dawn, in the middle (morning) of that last day
(tribulation time period)? I’m not trying to say that Jesus will come
back at 6AM, 6:15AM, etc. as that would depend just where in the wide world
you lived ;-)
Rolleston’s
work the ‘Mazzaroth’ (ie. Gospel in the Stars) while fascinating, I’m afraid a
lot of it is purely speculative and has very slim basis in Biblical
text. Of course I’m speculating as well regarding Dan. 8, but it is hard
to ignore specific descriptions matching eons old constellation
identifiers. Are there lots of 2-horned beasts in the mythical sky? A
few, but only one by the ‘river’ in the sky (Taurus) and only one with a
notable single horn (Capricorn), also by the river just across the whole earth
from the west, exactly where the narrative describes as Daniel ‘lift’s up his
eyes’.
One
astounding thing about Saturn, right around the time of Jesus’ birth (6 BC or
5 BC) is that it hovered very near the vernal equinox just between Aries and
Pisces. The vernal equinox also passed into Pisces from Aries (because
of precession) in similitude of the ages phasing from the old sacrificial
system under the law to the age of grace where a few fishes fed multitudes by
the hand of Jesus!
Saturn
is a very important time-piece for sure. Interestingly, 70
orbits of Saturn (10,758.975 days per orbit) falls on the
1290th morning rising (583.92 day average synodic
period) of Venus.
(1290
x 583.92)/10,758.975 = 70.01 orbits OR 2,062.00 Earth
years.
Thanks
for your response!
In
Christ,
Kevin
Heckle