Hi John I have studied end time prophesy most of my life and have looked at it like a puzzle with scriptures as the pieces. Every time I think I have it other pieces buckle out. With your door to the rapture closing on Oct 25. I began studying for that date. Here is what I have found and want to put it out for thought! What Jesus says in Rev 22:16 "I am the bright and morning star" made me look at the morning star and the times when Venus is the morning star. This year it will be first seen around Nov 1 and because it was not a morning star on Oct 25 I began looking for other clues until I read Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The womb of the morning could be the morning star "being in the womb!" It is not seen for 2 weeks before Nov 1 because it is transitioning from an evening star to a morning star: it disappears around Oct 19 into the womb of the sun! Another comment I would make is when Jesus said that it would be like the days of Noah. We really need to look at what He meant! I do not believe now that it is the main church rapture but only a taking away of the Philadelphia saints the saving of a very few. Those worthy enough to escape the hour of trial. Which is why there will be a falling away. (There is much debate about the word falling away in 2Thess 2:3 not realizing that it is the perfect word because it means all of them! Here is what the concordance says: Apostasy Appearing Beguile Belief Deceive Departure Destruction Doomed Except Faith Falling False. First Manner Means Occurs Perdition Rebellion Revealed Revelation Sets Sin Unless Way Words ) Then another 1 Thessalonians 4  17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. The word remain in the dictionary means "To stay behind while others withdraw; to be left after others have been removed or destroyed; to be left after a number or quantity has been subtracted or cut off; to be left as not included or comprised." Rev 3:10 The church of Philadephia is saved from the hour of trial. When you take 1000 years and divide by 24 hours it is 41.66 years per hour. Breaking it down further it could be 41.66 months which about equal to 3.5 years so the Philadelphia church is saved from the first half of tribulation that is the hour of trial. Then when you read Daniel 12  1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. From scripture we know that time of trouble could only mean the last half of tribulation. Which is why the bridesmaids sleep! When you look at the bridesmaids they are only maidens they are not the bride. And it always made me wonder about the statement Jesus says to them that "He never knew them." At mid trib telling them that then makes alot more sense because through the first half of tribulation they still did not make Him number one in their lives and get close to Him! Then I have heard teaching on the man child caught up to heaven that the child is the church which is the body of Christ! At the last supper Jesus told us to eat the bread because it was His body and the wine was His blood. That make us part of His body. It makes you really look at that but I have not studied further on that yet. I want to add that as Jesus' disciples we are called to suffer also! If the beginning saints of the church suffered greatly what about the end times church.  2nd Thessalonians 2 1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. (the abomination of desolation?) 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? It seems that we have been taught the principals of man when we are told that the church rapture is pre-trib yes there is a catching away but only of the Philadelphia church and the bride. Another fact that goes in line with this is the woman in the sky with twelve stars above her head clothed with the sun and the moon at her feet. Most star pictures I see always shows 11 stars above her head I know there are more but pictures of her limit them to eleven (starry nites program) on Sept 27, 2014 Venus will be above Virgos head making 12 stars when the moon is at her feet. The hybrid eclipse on Nov 3 2013 heralds the King's arrival. Psalm 114 says 'Tremble thou earth  at the presence of the God of Jacob. Is Jesus coming in 2014? He is also seen standing on mount sion with the 144,000 also during that time period. So is the Feast of Trumpets on Sep 25th, 2014 the day of the dead rising? The midst (fourth day?) is when Jesus showed Himself at the feast in John 7:8 even though He was there from the beginning hidden from sight and it was the fourth watch that Jesus came walking by the disciples on the boat Matt 14:25. Jesus comes in the clouds with lighting from the east to the west and the dead rise up and then those who are alive and remain are caught up (mid-trib?) then He comes with all the saints riding on white horses. I do not believe the Philadelphia rapture on this Oct 9 or that the calendar is off by one month even though that is when the sun is in Virgo and the moon at her feet, she is missing 1 star above her head I believe the calendar is right on this year. Which makes Oct 25 the true day of the rain starting in Noah's day with Oct 17 being the day He went into the ark. Now that I am accepting that the big rapture will be mid trib (I was pre trib all the way!!) and the first rapture will only be the bride and those worthy to be of the wedding party many scriptures are falling into place and now are making alot more sense! One other thing I want to add is that the 6th seal will happen this year which will be a pole shift. Rev 12:6 states that it will be between a solar eclipse and a blood red moon eclipse which only happens this year and the next time will be 2015 Knowing that the magog war is attached to the first trumpets made this seem impossible because Israel is no where near being unwalled but the seventh seal is 1/2 hour of silence. Just before the seventh seal is broken in Rev 7:1-3 it says there is a holding back of the winds and the harm of the earth and sea if you take the 1/2 hour and break it down it would bring you into the year 2012. And at that time there is a total lunar a darkened not blood moon and solar eclipse described in  Isaiah  13:10 which happens in the year 2012 The psalm 83 war will happen soon and set up for the magog war. Here is what the Mayans say about the pole shift: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wPh4tQ5WoA&feature=related Here is news about the magnetic field http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Northern_Lights_hit_100-year_low_point_999.html the magnetic field is getting lower and lower fast. I am looking sometime in Nov or Dec for the pole shift. The stars falling to the earth will be the fallen angels. Then satan will be kicked out at the church's rapture which is why he tries to kill the man child. Rev 12 Also on Oct 24 it will be 50 days that the ChristChurch earthquake occurred when you remember the 50 days the disciples waited for Pentecost! 50 is the churches number! Thank you John and everyone who has given so much knowledge!!! My last words are all of us should be rending our souls and praying that we are worthy enough to be saved from the coming hour of trial. So many think that just because they have accepted Jesus they will go but scripture clearly says only those who are worthy!! As a pre-trib believer all these years believing the precepts of man rather than God's word!! I adhere that you study to see if these things be true and look up for our redemption draws neigh!!