Jovial (12 Oct 2010)
"The 3 Woes will last MORE THAN 90 months, so 2008-2015 can't be "the 7-year trib" period"

Ron has claimed that the "7-tear trib" period began in October 2008.    Let me show why this can't be by showing the logical inconsistency.  If that were true, we'd be 2 years into the 7 year period, and as of today, we still don't have the two witnesses mentioned in Rev 11 which really kills that timing !!!!!!  I put that in quotes because the tribulation period will last longer than 7 years.

Rev 8:13 announces 3 Woes that will follow the tribulations that occur in Rev 4-8.  We're also told they will happen in sequence.

Woe #1 = Trumpet #5:
Rev 9:10 lists beasts "like scorpions" that will torture for 5 months.  That hasn't happened yet.

Then Rev 9:12 says  "One woe is past; behold, there come two woes more hereafter."   Note how this is telling us the 3 Woes MUST COME IN SEQUENCE!!!!!!!

Woe #2 = Trumpet #6:
Rev 9:13 : 1/3 of mankind destroyed.
Rev 10: The 7 thunders.
Rev 11: The 2 witnesses for 3.5 years.
The rise from the dead after 3.5 years.

Rev 11:14 says "The second woe is past;  behold, the third woe cometh quickly. "

Woe #3 = Trumpet #7:

Rev 12-17 discusses the final 42 months before the return of the Messiah.

Note That
• Woe #1 lasts 5 months or more.  It hasn't happened yet.
• Woe #2 lasts 3.5 years plus 3.5 days plus however long it takes to kill off one third of the planet, which is probably better than a week I'm guessing.  So dating this as "Over 43 months" is no stretch.
• Woe #3: 42 months.

Add this up the 3 Woes are MORE THAN 5 + 43 + 42 = 90 months.  that's more than 7 years (84 months).  And 90 months is just a minimum.

First off, stop trying to put the whole trib period into a 7year box and the timing of Revelation will start to make a lot of sense.  We're told explicitely that these 3 WOE periods DO NOT overlap.  One comes after the other.  And they add up to more than 7 years.  We're not sure how much more, but it's more than 7 years.

Yeshua cannot return to earth in 2015, because there's at least 90 months of prophecy prior to His return that has not yet been fullfilled.