Hi Jovial
 
A correction in the statement that I made yesterday, "is there a time
frame for the two witnesses in the Bible," to read or should have been
"is there a starting date for the two witnesses to come on the scene."
Of course there is a time frame of 1260 days / three and a half years,
but where does it start and where does it end? Ron Reese has often
stated that he doesn't see the events of the book of Revelation as
occurring in chronological order. I believe that these two witnesses
will start their ministry shortly after the Bride of Christ has been
removed from the earth. So if we are into the 70th week of Daniel as Ron
has stated and are approaching the end of the first two years of famine,
and the Bride is caught away, then we can assume that the two witnesses
will come on the scene with one and a half years left of the first half
of the seven years, which would mean they the two witnesses will be
killed inside the Great Tribulation period, left to lie in the streets
of Jerusalem for three days before being resurrected and taken up in
view of the worlds population.
 
Regards
Gordon Smith  
 
Gordon Smith (13 Oct 2010)
"RE: Jovial : "The 3 Woes will last MORE THAN 90 months, so 2008-2015
can't be the 7-year trib period.""

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    Hi Jovial
    
    Sorry I don't agree with you on the way you see things. Time
will tell
    if Ron is correct and presently there are a number of posts on
Doves
    that confirm with what he has said, in addition to other posts
that have
    come from other corners of the earth confirming what Ron has
shared with
    us.
    
    Is there a time frame for the two witnesses in the Bible,
because I have
    not seen one, but would expect them to be in action during the
great
    tribulation period, and to not be on the scene right now.
    
    You also mention in your other post with regard to the
abomination to be
    set up at the end of the tribulation and 30 days after that. I
think
    that most Bible students on the end times would disagree with
you on
    that one, because I think that will occurr 30 days inside the
great
    tribulation period.
    
    Regards
    Gordon Smith
    Jovial (12 Oct 2010)
    "The 3 Woes will last MORE THAN 90 months, so 2008-2015 can't be
"the
    7-year trib" period"
    ________________________________
    
    
        Ron has claimed that the "7-tear trib" period began in
October
    2008.    Let me show why this can't be by showing the logical
    inconsistency.  If that were true, we'd be 2 years into the 7
year
    period, and as of today, we still don't have the two witnesses
mentioned
    in Rev 11 which really kills that timing !!!!!!  I put that in
quotes
    because the tribulation period will last longer than 7 years.
         
        Rev 8:13 announces 3 Woes that will follow the tribulations
that
    occur in Rev 4-8.  We're also told they will happen in sequence.
         
         
        Woe #1 = Trumpet #5:
    
            Rev 9:10 lists beasts "like scorpions" that will torture
    for 5 months.  That hasn't happened yet.
    
         
        Then Rev 9:12 says  "One woe is past; behold, there come two
    woes more hereafter."   Note how this is telling us the 3 Woes
MUST COME
    IN SEQUENCE!!!!!!!
         
         
        Woe #2 = Trumpet #6:
    
            Rev 9:13 : 1/3 of mankind destroyed.
            Rev 10: The 7 thunders.
            Rev 11: The 2 witnesses for 3.5 years.
            The rise from the dead after 3.5 years.
             
    
        Rev 11:14 says "The second woe is past;  behold, the third
woe
    cometh quickly. "
         
         
        Woe #3 = Trumpet #7:
         
    
            Rev 12-17 discusses the final 42 months before the
    return of the Messiah.
    
         
        Note That
    
        *    Woe #1 lasts 5 months or more.  It hasn't happened yet.

        *    Woe #2 lasts 3.5 years plus 3.5 days plus however long
    it takes to kill off one third of the planet, which is probably
better
    than a week I'm guessing.  So dating this as "Over 43 months" is
no
    stretch.
        *    Woe #3: 42 months.
    
         
        Add this up the 3 Woes are MORE THAN 5 + 43 + 42 = 90
months.
    that's more than 7 years (84 months).  And 90 months is just a
minimum.
    
         
        First off, stop trying to put the whole trib period into a
7year
    box and the timing of Revelation will start to make a lot of
sense.
    We're told explicitely that these 3 WOE periods DO NOT overlap.
One
    comes after the other.  And they add up to more than 7 years.
We're not
    sure how much more, but it's more than 7 years.  
         
        Yeshua cannot return to earth in 2015, because there's at
least
    90 months of prophecy prior to His return that has not yet been
    fullfilled.