Hi Jovial
 
Sorry I don't agree with you on the way you see things. Time will tell
if Ron is correct and presently there are a number of posts on Doves
that confirm with what he has said, in addition to other posts that have
come from other corners of the earth confirming what Ron has shared with
us.
 
Is there a time frame for the two witnesses in the Bible, because I have
not seen one, but would expect them to be in action during the great
tribulation period, and to not be on the scene right now.
 
You also mention in your other post with regard to the abomination to be
set up at the end of the tribulation and 30 days after that. I think
that most Bible students on the end times would disagree with you on
that one, because I think that will occurr 30 days inside the great
tribulation period.
 
Regards
Gordon Smith
Jovial (12 Oct 2010)
"The 3 Woes will last MORE THAN 90 months, so 2008-2015 can't be "the
7-year trib" period"
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    Ron has claimed that the "7-tear trib" period began in October
2008.    Let me show why this can't be by showing the logical
inconsistency.  If that were true, we'd be 2 years into the 7 year
period, and as of today, we still don't have the two witnesses mentioned
in Rev 11 which really kills that timing !!!!!!  I put that in quotes
because the tribulation period will last longer than 7 years.
    
    Rev 8:13 announces 3 Woes that will follow the tribulations that
occur in Rev 4-8.  We're also told they will happen in sequence.
    
    
    Woe #1 = Trumpet #5:

        Rev 9:10 lists beasts "like scorpions" that will torture
for 5 months.  That hasn't happened yet.

    
    Then Rev 9:12 says  "One woe is past; behold, there come two
woes more hereafter."   Note how this is telling us the 3 Woes MUST COME
IN SEQUENCE!!!!!!!
    
    
    Woe #2 = Trumpet #6:

        Rev 9:13 : 1/3 of mankind destroyed.
        Rev 10: The 7 thunders.
        Rev 11: The 2 witnesses for 3.5 years.
        The rise from the dead after 3.5 years.
        

    Rev 11:14 says "The second woe is past;  behold, the third woe
cometh quickly. "
    
    
    Woe #3 = Trumpet #7:
    

        Rev 12-17 discusses the final 42 months before the
return of the Messiah.

    
    Note That

    *    Woe #1 lasts 5 months or more.  It hasn't happened yet.
    *    Woe #2 lasts 3.5 years plus 3.5 days plus however long
it takes to kill off one third of the planet, which is probably better
than a week I'm guessing.  So dating this as "Over 43 months" is no
stretch.
    *    Woe #3: 42 months.

    
    Add this up the 3 Woes are MORE THAN 5 + 43 + 42 = 90 months.
that's more than 7 years (84 months).  And 90 months is just a minimum.

    
    First off, stop trying to put the whole trib period into a 7year
box and the timing of Revelation will start to make a lot of sense.
We're told explicitely that these 3 WOE periods DO NOT overlap.  One
comes after the other.  And they add up to more than 7 years.  We're not
sure how much more, but it's more than 7 years.  
    
    Yeshua cannot return to earth in 2015, because there's at least
90 months of prophecy prior to His return that has not yet been
fullfilled.