FJ (19 Oct 2010)
"To RON and Doves "
Ron, we have been commanded to watch have we not, and there is nothing
wrong with letting our spirit lead and blowing the trumpet if that
is appropriate to how we feel. On the contrary, I think it is a
I wanted to mention a theme and understanding that I have picked up
from the book of Revelation.
The book is of course about a detailed vision and visit to Heaven
that John was given about the future. It was of course his
future, or the future then and not necessarily just ours. So WW1 and
WW2 may be included in the events!
The book starts of with Jesus introducing himself as the Alpha and
the Omega, the First and the Last. But, and here is the point, the
stage of this book is set by Jesus explaining what the Seven Spirit
of God are saying to the Seven Churches.
It goes like this - to each Church:
- What it is doing that is good
- What is not good
- What will happen to those practising the 'not good' unless they
- What will be given to those who 'overcome'
Here are the rewards, as a reminder to many:
There is a definite theme to what is in store for those who
overcome. The rewards are all heavenly, in heaven, post second
death, post Rapture.
- "I will give to eat of the tree of
life, which is in the midst of paradise of God"
- "He shall not be hurt of the second
- "I will give eat of the hidden manna
and will give him a white stone and in the stone a new name
which no man knows save he who received it"
- "I will give power over the nations
and I will give the morning star"
- "He shall be clothed in white raiment
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, I
will confess his name before my Father and before his angels"
- "I will make a pillar in the temple
of my God and he shall go out no more, I will write upon him
the name of my God and the name of the City of my God which
is new Jerusalem"
- I will grant to sit with me in my
throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my
Father in his throne"
Now I think this is extremely extremely important. Jesus chose to
introduce such a vision of future events and outcomes with - what
we are doing that is right, what is wrong and we must repent from
and how we need to overcome.
You do well to balance the blowing of the trumpet with a reminder of
the real struggle we all face - and that is to overcome, to wash our
garments clean and to wait and watch (In other words, first make
sure you have enough OIL).
In the book of Revelation, I have noted that a 'great earthquake'
occurs when the sixth seal is opened. The mountains are moved and
the stars fall out of the sky. Clearly a major earthquake like a WW3
or an Earth crust rotation or an event of cosmic proportion.
The very next verse starts, and after these things...
the 4 angels are commanded to hold the four winds. Now the sealing
of the 144,000 takes place, it is clearly after. But I don't know if
these events are in such quick succession that they can still be
regarded as simultaneous or not. So we have the major Earthquake and
the sealing of 144,000. Then John sees a great multitude, which no
one could number, in white robes! So this is clearly referring to
the Rapture and it has taken place either so close to the sudden
destruction that they are simultaneous to us or maybe very close.
It is clear who these people in white robes are. John asks and it is
explained, "They are those who have come out of the Great
Tribulation, and have washed their robes". This is important, does
it mean they have escaped the "Great Tribulation" or have come out
of it? What does 'come out of' imply?
Depending on the interpretation, the great Earthquake event and
Rapture could very definitely be simultaneous and prior to the Great
Tribulation. Though I think it causes a lot of confusion for many,
for me it is still very plausible.
But I still think the events are in sequence without negating the
pre- Great Trib theory.
In fact, if we then read on, we come across the seven Trumpets and
it is clear that this is the Great Tribulation (if not then what
is?) is happening when the saints are in white garments in heaven!
So for me, it is near the mid-point, not prior Trib and not after
Trib and not in the second half!
Keep it up, till the end!
Lord Jesus, we wait on you..