Barry Amundsen (16
"For Bruce Warner scripture where church is saved from tribulation...
I'm sure you know
these scriptures and I gave two when you asked just for one but there
are two kinds of tribulation. (One we are appointed to according to
1 Peter 4:
12. Beloved, think it not
strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some
strange thing happened unto you:
13. But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his
glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the
spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil
spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.)
and the other we are not appointed to but to obtain salvation.
Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise.
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of
herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee:
hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be
21. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his
place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the
earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee
from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to
try them that dwell upon the earth.
there are two kinds of tribulation. Jesus said in the world we will
have tribulation but to be of good courage because He as overcome the
world. That kind is unavoidable and can be more extreme depending on
where you are in this world. But the tribulation of Revelation is
distinct and has a double emphasis as "the tribulation the great
tribulation". This one we are not appointed to but are promised to be
link above is to a testimony by Howard Pittman and though long, it is
very good in explaining how it is that a Christian can either be an
overcomer and be victorious in Christ or else be overcome by the enemy.
Howard explains that scripture mentions that in the great tribulation
it is given to the beast to make war with the saints and overcome them.
He says that this should not be ordinarily possible because Jesus gave
every saint authority over the enemy and He does not take that back.
But it says it was GIVEN to him to make war with the saints and
overcome them and Howard asks, who gave it to him? Someone had to give
that authority to the enemy. I believe as Howard says, that we each are
responsible to exercise the authority over the enemy that has been
given to us and if we fail to do so we run the risk of giving up the
protection that we once knew. So there is suffering with Christ and
there is suffering because of not submitting your life to Christ. These
are two different kinds of suffering. The wise man does what Jesus says
and his house stands against all storms. The foolish man does not do
what Christ says and his house falls. The wise may still suffer
persecution but his house cannot fall no matter what they do to him
here temporarily to the body or his goods because his treasure is in
heaven where moth and rust do not corrupt and where thieves do not
break through and steal.
Each day we are to overcome the
enemy by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of our testimony. To him
that overcometh is the reward which includes to escape what is coming
and be with Jesus. Since there is no freedom in a vacuum failure to
overcome is to be overcome by the enemy and the big example is being
found in the tribulation period and be overcome by the beast.
Does this help?