Shalom Jayne and all dear doves,
I finally did receive a 'text' version of the article
you wanted me to see that began to contrast truth vs.
tradition in today's churches ...
Sadly ... your long article is so typical of many
great subtle deceptions by our serpent enemy these
days ...These articles lead off with many great truths ... and
expose many sad smaller errors that have sneaked in
among God's people, to prepare, it seems ... for even
so much greater error.
I read your article for a long time ... till I came to
your statement:
" ... HE WAS, IN FACT, THE FATHER HIMSELF! ..."
NOTE!!!
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This is NOT what scripture teaches!
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Jesus NEVER did say, 'I am the Father'. Jesus said,
'I and Father are One'John 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.
He also said that He was in the Father and the Father
was in Him, and that if one were to see Him ( Jesus )
... then that one would be thus seeing the Father ...
since as you previously noted that scripture teaches
that Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God.Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible
God, the firstborn of every creature:
But note also ... Jesus is NOW sitting at 'the right
hand of the Majesty on high'Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory,
and the express image of his person, and upholding all
things by the word of his power, when he had by
himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of
the Majesty on high;
Note below the continual contrast and comparing of two
persons ...John 10:
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified,
and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I
said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me
not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the
works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father
is in me, and I in him.
John 14:
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and
the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I
speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in
me, he doeth the works.20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,
and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he
it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be
loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will
manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is
it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not
unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love
me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love
him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode
with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and
the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's
which sent me.Note in verse 24 above ... Jesus especially draws our
attention to His contrasting His word vs. His Father's
... and His Person vs. His Father's ...
If one takes this heresy further ... that Jesus 'WAS,
IN FACT, THE FATHER HIMSELF!' ... as you are being
taught ...then one might claim that since we are to be one in
Him ... as He is in the Father ...that we all-ourselves are ... 'IN FACT, THE FATHER
HIMSELF!'This is non-sense as well as part of the devils dark
destroying purpose for us to claim to be in the place
of God.
Again note below the contrast and comparisons of two
persons ...John 17:
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are
in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep
through thine own name those whom thou hast given me,
that they may be one, as we are.21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in
me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:
that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given
them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made
perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou
hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved
me.26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will
declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me
may be in them, and I in them.
And below ...
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ,
reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their
trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the
word of reconciliation.Colossians
1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all
fulness dwell;2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the
Godhead bodily.
Now since scripture does define love for God as
including ... if we love the Father we will love His
children too ... So therefore, if in any Gnostic way
we deny the sonship of Jesus, then we deny our love
for the Father thusly!And we would then be justly condemned by the Father,
for He has clearly stated that He will be quick to
destroy all those who hate Him.Deuteronomy 7:10 And repayeth them that hate him to
their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to
him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.
Finally ...
In your following quote from an 'amp' version ... (a
copy/paste of your text follows:)'AMP Is 9:6 "For to us a child is born,
to us a Son is given.
and His name shall be called .
MIGHTY GOD,
EVERLASTING FATHER.
PRINCE OF PEACE" ... '
You claim that ...
'That THE CHILD, the SON, is ALMIGHTY GOD, the EVER
LASTING FATHER,
is so clearly stated here, as to be beyond
questioning!'
Again you allow a subtle twist to the text by not
paying careful enough attention to just what it says:
( in context of all the scriptures regarding this very
special person )This text does NOT say that this child, at that time
yet to be born, was to be "IN FACT, THE FATHER
HIMSELF!" ... as you previously claimed ... it instead
says He is an 'Everlasting Father' ... which is true
... we, who are His, are born-again of His Word ...
and are to live with Him forever.Note the King James has ADDED definite articles not in
the Hebrew, not to say that this One 'WAS, IN FACT,
THE FATHER HIMSELF!' ... as you claimed ... rather to
show his title will be 'The everlasting Father' ...
see King James below and Strong's insights into Hebrew
...6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:
and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his
name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty
God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there
shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon
his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with
judgment and with justice from henceforth even for
ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.father 'ab' . and . everlasting 'ad'
'ab'
1) father of an individual
2) of God as father of his people
3) head or founder of a household, group, family, or
clan
4) ancestor
4a) grandfather, forefathers-of person
4b) of people
5) originator or patron of a class, profession, or art6) of producer, generator (fig.)
7) of benevolence and protection (fig.)
8) term of respect and honour
9) ruler or chief (spec.)'ad'
1) perpetuity, for ever, continuing future
1a) ancient (of past time)
1b) for ever (of future time)
1b1) of continuous existence
1c) for ever (of God's existence)Note "1) perpetuity, for ever, continuing future"
above ... for that is the destiny of His Children who
are born of the Word. ... We too will continue
forever ...But N.B.!!! ... that does NOT make us ... The
Father!!!
Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed,
but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth
and abideth for ever.
I would rather NOT read further into your long and
twisted deception ... after this clearly revealed
heresy.
Jayne, you best carefully but thoroughly back away
from this 'little group' you've been with ...This is by the way, a part of a big heresy these LAST
days ...Do not condemn yourself ... just get out of this group
AND TEACHING!!!Didn't Jesus foretell that the deceptions would be so
great that even the elect could be deceived?
I first became aware of this 'religious sounding' but
false and UNrighteous teaching via a dear sister here
in Canada some years ago ... the Spirit made her sense
something wrong in a group she was praying with
regularly ... and later she told me she left that
group ...
The Lord knows His own and He thus commands us that
each who names His name must depart from all
unrighteousness.2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God
standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them
that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name
of Christ depart from iniquity. ( fraudulence/
unrighteousness )'Iniquity' here comes from the word that means ...
1) descriptive of one who violates or has violated
justice
1a) unjust
1b) unrighteous, sinful
1c) of one who deals fraudulently with others,
deceitful
Dear Jayne,
May you find His true shalom shalom, as you come to
know Him according to ... and only according to ...
His Truth.
David
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be praying for you ... and don't forget to praise and
thank our Lord. Baruch Hashem!
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