David W. Zavitz (29 Oct 2005)
"questions in recent e-mails from doves ..."


Shalom dear doves,
 

After getting a few questions from some doves recently
... to possibly help clarify things a little, please
'judge' for yourself the following:
 

If a man comes to Jesus in truth,  which of the
following would indicate this?

(a) He would now say, 'homosexuality is not wrong
according to the Bible so I will continue in those
acts and pursue new laws for my country to justify
myself and jail those who oppose.'

(b) He would now say, 'I now see that homosexuality is
wrong, according to the Bible, but since I have come
to Jesus, it is all right to continue in it, because
He forgives all my sins.'

(c) He would now say, 'I now see that homosexuality is
wrong, according to the Bible, and since I have come
to Jesus, I will trust Him to help me quit and so I
break off right now all my former homosexual
relationships.'
 

Now in the above . replace the words homosexual /
homosexuality with, drunkard / (still drinking) or
extortioner / extortioning or  fornicator /
fornicating . or adulterer / adultery ...
 

1 Corinthians 5:11  But now I have written unto you
not to keep company, if any man that is called a
brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater,
or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with
such an one no not to eat.

9   I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with
fornicators:
10  Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this
world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with
idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11  But now I have written unto you not to keep
company, if any man that is called a brother be a
fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer,
or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no
not to eat.
12  For what have I to do to judge them also that are
without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore
put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
 

Now about Israel's longitivitity:

Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before
me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall
cease from being a nation before me for ever.

31  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will
make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with
the house of Judah:
32  Not according to the covenant that I made with
their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my
covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto
them, saith the LORD:
33  But this shall be the covenant that I will make
with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the
LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and
write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and
they shall be my people.
34  And they shall teach no more every man his
neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the
LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of
them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I
will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their
sin no more.

35  Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a
light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of
the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea
when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his
name:
36  If those ordinances depart from before me, saith
the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease
from being a nation before me for ever.
37  Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be
measured, and the foundations of the earth searched
out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of
Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
 

Now about Abraham/Isaac/Israel's true children:

Romans 4:
7  Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are
forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute
sin.

9  Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision
only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that
faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10  How was it then reckoned? when he was in
circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in
circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11  And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal
of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet
being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of
all them that believe, though they be not circumcised;
that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12  And the father of circumcision to them who are not
of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the
steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he
had being yet uncircumcised.
13  For the promise, that he should be the heir of the
world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the
law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14  For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith
is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15  Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law
is, there is no transgression.
16  Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by
grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the
seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to
that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the
father of us all,

17  (As it is written, I have made thee a father of
many nations,)before him whom he believed, even God,
who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things
which be not as though they were.
18  Who against hope believed in hope, that he might
become the father of many nations, according to that
which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
19  And being not weak in faith, he considered not his
own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years
old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
20  He staggered not at the promise of God through
unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to
God;
21  And being fully persuaded that, what he had
promised, he was able also to perform.
22  And therefore it was imputed to him for
righteousness.

23  Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it
was imputed to him;
24  But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if
we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from
the dead;
25  Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised
again for our justification.

1  Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace
with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2  By whom also we have access by faith into this
grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the
glory of God.
3  And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also:
knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4  And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5  And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of
God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost
which is given unto us.
 
 

Now let's ask ourselves a few simple questions:

1.  Am I included in the above 'blessedness'?

2.  And if I find that I am not yet included, is it
possible for me to be included?

3.  If I find it is possible, then how might I be
included?
 

Shalom shalom,
 

David

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