Greg Wilson (28 Nov 2021)
"Re:  Garry B (14 Nov 2021) Greg Wilson"


Re:  Garry B (14 Nov 2021) Greg Wilson

 

Gary:   I am going to comment and answer each item on your letter.  I will restate your questions in order.

  1. Greg, several English versions of the bible say that Jesus was about 30 years old when he began his ministry.  Read Luke 3:23.   I agree that Jesus’ age at the commencement of his earthly ministry began “to be about thirty years of age”.   It is the generally accepted view that His ministry began in or about AD 26-27, as you point out in the Don Henson study, “Counting 434 years from 408 B.C. brings us to A.D. 27—the year during which Jesus Christ was baptized and started His work as the Messiah.”
  2. Daniel 9:26 states,  "AFTER three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off".   I agree, “after” 62 weeks of years, Messiah shall be cut off”.  As I have asked you two times before [to which you have not answered] what was your view on the year of the “cutting off event”?  I stated my view which was the year of the crucifixion, specifically Nisan 10 upon Israel’s [the political nation identified as the fig tree] rejection of Messiah.  I believe this was on or about AD 30 for the reasons articulated in my previous responses to your position.  I acknowledge the generally accepted majority view is AD 32-33.
  3. AFTER THE END OF the 69th week would then mean that Messiah was "cut off" sometime during the 70th week.   Your preceding statement concluding that the 70th week immediately preceded the 69th week fails to convince me that “after” necessarily means the 70th week.  See my article on “Covenant Time”.  Recently, I put forth my reasons in a prior letter to you.  You did not respond or comment so I do not think I should repeat myself on this issue.  You obviously do not believe in the “gap theory” which suggests that there are divine reasons for the segmenting the weeks of years into 7, 62 and 1 divisions.  There are gaps in “covenant” time between each segment.  However, you do not believe there was a gap between the 69th and 70th weeks of years.  You believe there is a gap in the middle of the 70th week.  You are entitled to believe your own interpretation which finds that the sacrifice and oblation in the middle of the 70th week represents the crucifixion of Messiah even though the sacrifice and oblation have nothing to do with a sin sacrifice as you assert.  In fact, Daniel states these sacrifices were “daily” occurrences.  We know Christ was sacrificed once for all, not daily. (Daniel 12:11)
  4. Daniel 9:26 tells us that Jesus was cut off "AFTER" the 69th week , and Daniel 9:27 tells us Jesus was cut off  "in the midst of the 70th week".     I agree with your conclusion that Messiah was cut off after the end of the [69th] week of years.    Daniel 9:27 DOES NOT tell us that Jesus was cutoff in the midst of the 70th week.  The Scriptures of Truth state that the “sacrifice and oblation” (minchah and zebach) cease to exist in the midst of the 70th week.  Your view necessarily needs to make the “sacrifice and oblation” to represent Christ as the atonement sacrifice for sin in the midst of the week.  This view contradicts the plain meaning of the verse, including the Daniel 12:11 declaration, and the forms of daily Hebrew offerings to God.
  5. The 2,000 + year gap started in the mist (middle of the 70th week) when Jesus was crucified, which leaves only the last half of the 70th week (3 ½ years remaining to be fulfilled.  The last half of the 70th week (3 ½ years) will begin when Jesus resurrects/raptures the Body of Christ Church and it will end 3 ½ years latter at the Second Coming of Jesus.  I disagree for the reasons stated above.  Your Christ atoning sin sacrifice does not exist “in the midst” of the 70th week.  The gap began on or about Nisan 10, AD 30.  Christ was sacrificed as a type of Isaac offering, as a type of brass serpent offering of salvation, to the sin problem in the gap, which exists “after the [69th] week of years.  The 70th week will commence at the “fullness of the Gentiles” (Romans 11:25)  It is my belief that the fullness of the Gentiles will result in the resurrection/catching out event for “they that are Christ’s at His coming”. (1 Corinthians 15:23, 52)  Daniel’s 70th week will commence following this event.  The timing between the Christ event and the “confirming of the covenant” is up for speculation, but I imagine we may not be very concerned with that when we are in His Presence!   Alternatively, we could just ask our Lord.
  6. Who do you think was cutoff in the mist of the 70th week, if it’s not Jesus?   Not who, but what.   A literal reading of the text answers the question.  In the midst of the 70th week the “sacrifice and oblation” will CEASE, or be cut off as you put it.   Nobody is cut off in the midst of the week.  As I stated in my past two letters the “minchah and zebach” offerings have no connection to a “sin [chatah] sacrifice offering.
  7. Who do you think the “He” in Daniel 9:27 is referring to, if it’s not Jesus?  I do not believe that you have read any of my letters addressing your views.  I have made it crystal clear on “Fivedoves” over the last 11 years that “he” is “God in Christ” or Jesus as you say, who confirms the covenant.
  8. Who do you think the second “he” is in Daniel 9:27 that “shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate”, if it’s not Jesus?   I believe that “he” who causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease”  or to quote Daniel “time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away” (Daniel 12:11) is again God in Christ [Jehovah God] who does not share his name or glory with any form of abomination.  He will not permit the presentation or offerings to occur in the city which bears His Holy name.  The fact that Daniel says identifies the “sacrifice” as “daily” necessarily contradicts your view that it is an implicitly singular sacrifice for sin in the midst of the week.
  9. What event fulfilled “unto the Messiah the Prince” in Daniel 9:25 ?  According to Daniel 9:25, there are two events: (1) the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem, and (2) the streets shall be built again, and the wall.  These two events spanned 7 weeks and 62 weeks of years.
  10. Romans 15:8 “Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:”     Doctrinally, Daniel 9 was written to Daniel’s people, the Jewish nation comprising a portion of whole house of Israel.   Jesus was “a minister of the circumcision”.  Circumcision was a sign that Abraham’s children were in a covenant relationship with the Living God.  Jesus, the Messiah, confirmed the promises God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob [Israel’s fathers].   Remember salvation is of the Jews. (John 4:22)  Jesus came to minister to the Jews, not the Gentiles.  As the Scriptures state, the Gentiles are strangers from the covenants of promises (Ephesians 2:12). These promises pertain to Israel (Romans 9:4). Even during the kingdom reign of Christ, when the nations are finally brought to Messiah’s feet, it will not be in fulfillment of any promises made to them. It will be in fulfillment of promises made to Israel. This is clearly brought out in Romans 15:8 and 9.  But the Gentiles have been and are the recipients of God’s grace, for Jesus gave away the Kingdom of God [spiritual mystery] to a nation which would produce fruit.  That was the whole purpose of Paul’s ministry.   So, Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac.  One was a son of the bondwoman (representing Messiah rejecting Israel) and Isaac, the son of promise. 
  11. The Abrahamic covenant is everlasting and is a blessing for all nations.  The Abrahamic promises were bifurcated.  The spiritual blessing of Isaac expressed in Christ has blessed the world, but the physical promises to Israel, the now unbelieving Israel, will be fulfilled during Daniel’s 70th week.  Paul confirms this in Galatians 3:17-18: “And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.”  These physical and ultimately spiritual blessings of God in Christ will happen to Israel during the Great Tribulation and following the Second Advent of Christ at the end of the 70th week.
  12. Hebrew 10:16 tells us that God is going to give the Hebrew people a new covenant: “ This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;”.  I agree.  Paul is citing Jeremiah 31:33.   This is the goal of Daniel’s 70th week.  God is going to purge out the Messiah rejecting Jewish rebels and bring His remnant Messiah believing back into the BOND of the COVENANT. (Ezekiel 20:34-37)
  13. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was final. There is no need for another sacrifice, ever. Jesus paid the price for all sins.   I agree.  Once for all.  Why do you insist that the “in the midst” of the 70th week “daily” sacrifices represent Christ’s sin atoning sacrifice.  It’s not daily.
  14. The destruction of the temple in 70A.D. occurred during the Gap period.   I agree.  Titus’ army, most likely represented by indigent conscripts who destroyed the Temple and Jerusalem in fulfillment of Daniel 9:26.  The conscripts likely included some Edomites (people of the prince) repeating their actions when they cheered on the Babylonians destroying Jerusalem, saying “rase it, rase it.”  (Psalm 137:7)

Gary, you and I agree on a majority of views with the exception of “in the midst” atoning sacrifice.   We seek the Truth of the matter because it will be important to remnant Israel in Daniel’s 70th week.   Perhaps a record of Fivedoves will be available to remnant Israel after we depart.

Blessings in Christ, Greg