Kevin Heckle (14 Nov 2011)
"Keith C: The Church, Jew, Gentile or Both?"

 
Keith,
My statement 'by which we modern churches are descended' I stand by.  Clearly, John's intent was to address some church bodies in Asia.  While those bodies may no longer physically exist, the continuation of the Gospel and the resulting true church of believers have not ceased since the beginning.  There certainly are church bodies today that resemble those seven.   By your initial posted statement and implication, that any pertenence of the book of Revelation was limited to the unsaved ethnic Jew.  You implied that Revelation is only a prophetic message about Daniel's 70th week, receivable by the ethnic Jew alone.  Maybe you meant those seven Asian churches only contained ethnic Jews?  If you also now mean the message of the book of Revelation is in no wise transmittable to any modern church congregation and simply to those seven churches in Asia, then almost the whole of the New Testament should have no pertenence to the modern church body (those saved) as a whole, as most of Paul's NT  letters are specifically addressed to various church bodies such as the one at Corinth, Thessolanica, etc. which no longer exist either.
 
As I demonstrated by Scripture (Romans 9) in my earlier post, the children of God are not limited to the genetically ethnic group of Jews, but rather those of the adoption through Christ.  Therefore, the promises of God to Daniel's 'thy people' are promises to even those of the adoption both Jew and Gentile.  Your apparent adherence to dispensationalist dogma has caused you to forget that Peter, among the other Disciples, was an ethnic Jew.  The early Christian church was a Jewish sect composed mainly of ethnic Jews.  That mighty rushing wind at Pentecost was felt by Jew (Acts 2:5)and Gentile alike.  When the various languages were heard as one dialect (tongues) the Jews were there, some hearing in Hebrew, some in Aramaic and some in Greek.  To imply that Pentecost somehow ended or cut-off the Jews from God's promises until some future date is preposterous.  The Gospel new covenant of Christ didn't suspend the promises of God to the Jew, IT FULFILLED THEM, the former being superseded by a better promise.  The entire message of the book of Hebrews explains that fulfillment to the Jew.  To assume that the Church is only Gentile disregards the Gospel passages that include the word WHOSOEVER. 
 
The Promise to Daniel
"[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." - Dan 9:24 KJV
 
The moment Jesus said on the Cross, "It is finished" the Temple veil, the very center of the purpose of Jerusalem, was torn from top to bottom.  The Judaistic ritual system was FINISHED. Christ's work on the Cross caused the corrupted sacrificial and oblation system to be OBSOLETE FOREVER.  If the orthodox Jews ever reinstitute Temple sacrifice, it will be an abomination, a stench in the nostrils of God after the work of Christ at Calvary.  Christ put an end to sin, making permanent reconciliation for iniquity and bringing in an EVERLASTING righteousness.
 
"[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." - Dan 9:27 KJV
 
Christ caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease 3.5 years into His ministry, 486.5 ecclesiastical years (69.5 weeks of years) after the decree of Artaxerxes in  Ezra 6 to restore the Temple.  The 70 week prophecy halted for the period of GRACE before the Great Tribulation Judgement.  Jesus told his disciples that not one stone of the Temple would be left upon the other.  That is the way it is until this day, desolate.  The sacrificial Temple system was corrupt as it had been made a 'den of thieves'.   The 'consummation', or the termination of the 70 weeks is when the judgements contained the book of Revelation are 'poured upon the desolate' during the final half-week (3.5 years); poured out upon those rejectors of Christ, whether Jew or Gentile.
 
In Christ,
Kevin H.