Lyle Cooper (10 Nov 2010)
"Answer to Mercer (9 Nov 2010)"
"Ola, they are the tribulation saints"
think this great crowd must be the tribulation saints,
because of the two words, "great tribulation."
seem to think that Jesus put a title on the last half of the
week, calling it "the great tribulation." Neither of these
things are correct. Jesus did NOT put such a title on the
last half of the week. People did that.
Many think this
great crowd must be the tribulation saints, because of
the two words, "great tribulation."
Always remember, context is everything. In
context, in chapter 6 John has just showed us the signs of the
beginning of the day of the Lord. At this time, the 70th week
has not begun. Since it has not yet begun, of course John has
not yet arrived at the midpoint or the abomination, so it is
simply impossible that these were killed during the last half
of the week.
So if we examine the context and those two words again, "great
tribulation," we can find that John used the same two words
before this, referring to Jezabel and those committing
fornication with her. PLEASE remember that she was an actual
woman in the church in 95 AD and men were committing
fornication with her. John wrote that Jesus would cast both
her and those with her into "great tribulation" if they did
not stop sinning. (Rev. 2:20) the,point is very clear: God
can create "great tribulation" any time. Here is great
tribulation mentioned about 2000 years before the 70th week.
Now, before you want to spiritualize this verse, and think it
is in reference to the church of today, remember that it was
sent to that church in 95 AD, and was speaking to a REAL
woman, named Jezebel.
Therefore, when John writes that this great crowd came out of
"great tribulation," all he is telling us is that at the time
of the rapture, there will be great tribulation around the
globe. But what does this mean? It means that people will be
dying for their testimony. "Tribulation" cannot get any
greater than if you are put to death. You cannot be put to
This fits exactly with what Paul wrote in 1 Thes. 4 and 5,
that the rapture would be the "trigger" for the day of the
Lord. We get salvation and are ever with the Lord, while the
lost get the sudden destruction of the beginning of the day of
the Lord. John shows us the exact events: we get raptured as
the first event of the 6th seal. The dead in Christ rising
caused a mighty, world wide earthquake. John then sees the
church in heaven, very shortly after the rapture, as shown in
chapter 6. After we are gone, people see the sun darken and
the moon turn to blood. It is the signs of the day of the
Lord. Then, they cry for the rocks to fall on them, for they
KNOW it is the signs of the day of His wrath. Isaiah chapter
2 and Joel chapter 2 back this up: the 6th seal is the final
fulfillment of these two prophecies.
The 70th week and Day of the Lord begin together at the 7th
seal. We could say that the beginning of the 70th week is
"marked" by the 7th seal. The 7th trumpet "marks" the exact
midpoint, and the 7th vial ends the 70th week, while the day
of the Lord continues on.
I might add, several here have mentioned the four blood red
moons coming up in 2014 - 2015, with an eclipse of the sun
(the sun will turn dark) in the middle. These five events make
an AWESOME sign, and it seems to fit the 6th seal.