Pete Fisher (29
Nov 2008)
"re: to Peggy McIlveene : 2 witnesses"
The scripture showing that all men die, is
the same terminology used in Genesis when G-d told Adam and Eve...if
they at this fruit they would surely die. G-d created man initially to
live forever. This was a spiritual as well as a physical death, but it
was not an instant death as we equate death. It meant basically that we
were no longer eternal beings due to sin.
The fact is,
the scripture saying the dead know nothing is a Jewish belief in
Sheol...the grave. The soul that sins is made dead, we...the out called
Ecclesia are not under that. That particular verse has nothing to do
with the Rapture and the translation of flesh. Jeshua HAD to die in
order to defeat death for us. So the word translated, is similar to
transformed and transfigured. It is a process in which something
already dead is made alive. In truth we who live away from G-d are
dead. In both spirit and flesh.
In Adam all certainly die,
as from Adam we are born into sin. That again is a simple statement
that says just what it means. When we accept Jeshua, we are reborn,
hence we were born, we died in sin, and now have eternal life. So we
have already passed from death unto life. However, we will not die
right before our flesh is transformed, for those of us who are alive
and remain. We will simply be translated as Paul said.
However,
some of those passages you quote have nothing to do with this
particular subject, they simply mention death through sin, and bolster
the Jewish belief of death and the grave. Nothing to do with the
translation of flesh at the time of Rapture for those of us who remain.
Shalom. Pete