Ray (30 May 2021)
"Three sequential events are foretold in Zechariah 11"


 
Hi John and Doves,


There are sequential events  foretold in Zechariah 11.

Zechariah 11:1 Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars.

2 Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are  spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is  come down.

3 There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds;  for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for  the pride of Jordan is spoiled.

8 Three shepherds also I cut off in one month; and my soul lothed them, and their soul also abhorred me.

Through the prophet Zechariah, God has foretold that one day He would cut  off three shepherds in one month. They are Lebanon, Syria ( Bashan ),  and Jordan . Through out history, we couldn’t found any evidence that this  prophecy has been fulfilled. There is no biblical and historical  evidence points to ancient Moab, Edom, Ammon (Jordan) together with  Damascus ( Bashan ) and Tyre (Lebanon) were cut off together by God in one  month. This prophecy is still waiting for it’s fulfillment. It shall be fulfilled together with the fourth transgression in Amos 1-2, Psalm 83 and Isaiah 17:1-2.

But my focus point is not this.

Zechariah 11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder,  that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11  And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited  upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

Immediately after  the three shepherds are cut off, God shall break the covenant with all  the people. There have been some major covenants God has made with Israel and people. They are Noahic covenant, Abrahamic covenant, Mosaic covenant,  Davidic covenant. None of these covenants can be broken because God  promised not to destroy the whole earth again per Noahic covenant. For Abrahamic covenant, God shall give the land to Abraham’s rightful descendant who is Israel (Genesis 28:13). This prophecy is still waiting for it’s  fulfillment. At the end of tribulation, after Jesus returns, the remnant of Israel shall inherit the promised land.

Mosaic covenant

[ The  Mosaic covenant, found in Exodus 19–24 and the book of Deuteronomy,  contains the foundations of the written Torah and the Oral Torah. In  this covenant, God promises to make the Israelites his treasured  possession among all people[Exo 19:5] and “a kingdom of priests and a  holy nation”[Exo 19:6], if they follow God’s commandments. As part of  the terms of this covenant, God gives Moses the Ten Commandments. These  will later be elaborated on in the rest of the Torah. ]

Some  bible scholars believe this is the covenant found in verse 10. Jesus has  replaced this covenant. But we learn from God that the whole house of Israel shall be saved at the return of our Lord Jesus. (God only abandons them for a while, to makes His name known in the gentiles). God shall make them a kingdom of priests and a holy nation (Isaiah 66:21). Since this event is still waiting for fulfillment, it doesn’t seem like this is  the covenant which shall be broken by God in verse 10.

Concerning Davidic  covenant, a King and a Messiah shall come from David’s lineage. The King and the Messiah is Jesus who shall rule over all the nations, This can’t be the covenant God shall break.

Question is, what is this covenant? Can we find this covenant elsewhere in bible?

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee  from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try  them that dwell upon the earth.

Jesus has made a covenant with the church of Philadelphia. This church represents faithful followers of Christ. Jesus promises to keep this church from the hour of temptation which is the 7 years tribulation. I believe this is the covenant God has spoken in verse 10.  When God calls the church home in the day of rapture, that will be the time God breaks and nullifies the covenant He makes with the Philadelphia church.

And immediately after this covenant is broken, God foretells the appearance of a foolish shepherd from verse 15 to 17.  Many of us agree that this foolish shepherd is Antichrist.

My summary.

The sequence of  prophesied events in Zechariah 11.

1/ Three shepherds are cut off in one month.

2/ God calls the church home by breaking the covenant with the church.

3/ Appearance of the foolish shepherd / Antichrist.

Ray


Hi John and Doves,


Zechariah 11:10 And I took my staff, even Beauty, and cut it asunder, that I might break my covenant which I had made with all the people. 11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

The staff God holds is the church. God calls the staff “Beauty” because this is how the church is seen by God, "Beauty". “cut it asunder” means God is perfecting the church since it’s establishment in first century. When the staff is broken in one day, that is, when God calls the church home, the poor of the flock which is “us” shall know that this is the word of Jesus. He keeps his promise by not letting us into the tribulation.

Immediately after God breaks the first staff Church, God turns His attention to the second staff which is Israel.

Zechariah 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

“cut asunder mine other staff” means God shall perfect His people Israel in the tribulation, to make Jesus’ name known to them so that the whole house of Israel shall be saved.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


Zechariah 11: 11 And it was broken in that day: and so the poor of the flock that waited upon me knew that it was the word of the LORD.

“Waited upon me”

Since the first century, there have been many generations waited for Jesus’ return. We are the generation which has the privilege for “waited upon me” to occur !!!

Ray



Hi John and Doves,

Beginning from Zechariah 11, God has foretold major events that leads to Jesus' return in chapter 14. He begins with the three shepherds war in chapter 11. Then He proceeds with calling the church home by breaking the covenant with all the people in verse 10-11, followed by the appearance of Anti Christ from verse 15 to 17.

Chapter 12 continues the events from chapter 11. By this time the world is already in tribulation. Verse 1 to 9 is the battle of Gog/Magog.

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. 3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. 4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem. 7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah. 8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. 9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

Many bible prophecy scholars thought this event " I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people:" shall take place at the end of tribulation. But a much more careful study points this event at the beginning of tribulation, that is, the battle of Gog/Magog when a coalition of Gog's armies attacking Jerusalem.

Their error #1: At the end of tribulation, 2/3 of Israelis already perish, with 1/3 scattered aboard. Half of the city already goes into captivity. There is hardly any Jews living in Jerusalem, Daniel prophesied the city shall be laid desolate.
"and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

"That determined shall be poured upon the desolate". It speaks of Jerusalem shall be laid waste and desolate until Jesus' return. There is hardly any Jewish inhabitants there. But from verse 8, Jerusalem is fully inhabited when God defends the city.

8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem;

Also, God shall make governors of Judah strong in that day.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood,

There is no governors of Judah at the end of tribulation.

Error #2/ Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

God prophesies He shall defend Jerusalem when Jerusalem is under siege. There is no besiege on Jerusalem at the end of tribulation. They have been scattered aboard since mid trib. But we learn from Ezekiel 38-39 Gog's armies shall come against Israel and lay siege against Jerusalem. God shall defend Jerusalem by fending off Gog's army.

Error #3/ Zechariah 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

While God defends Jerusalem, the governors of Judah and the inhabitants shall know that this is an act of God. And God is their strength. It speaks of Jerusalem is fully inhabited when the attack occurs. It doesn't sound like this attack occurs at the end of tribulation when Jerusalem is laid desolate.

Error #4/ Verse 6: In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

After God defends Jerusalem, Judah shall be greater than the former. Governors of Judah shall be like an hearth of fire, and they shall devour all the people round about. They probably enlarge their territory. It doesn't seem like this is the setting of second advent. From Joel 3:2-3, when Jesus returns, he brings all the nations to the valley of Jehoshaphat, and plead with them for scattering his people and parted his land. There is no mention of governors of Judah acting like an hearth of fire, and devours all the people round about.

I can go no with few more points. But I shall stop here. My conclusion is Zechariah 12 verse 1 to 9 speaks of the battle of Gog/Magog and how God defends them. At the end of Gog/Magog, governors of Judah shall be like a hearth of fire, and shall devour the people round about. It speaks of them enlarging the territory.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


What is the next event after the battle of Gog/Magog from Zechariah 12 verse 1 to 9?

Mourning the One they Pierced

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; 13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

After Gog/Magog, many Israelis shall come to Jesus and accept him as their Messiah. They mourn for the one they pierced. They are the 144,000 who come to Christ in Revelation 7. A note here. I believe the number 144,000 stands for perfect before God. It is not necessarily 144,000 but a very large number of them.

Chapter 13 verse 1 to 6 speaks of an end to idolatry. For those who come to Jesus , they shall stop the idolatry and false worship. But tragedy falls upon Israel in the middle of tribulation.

Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

This event shall take place in middle of tribulation when AC breaks the covenant and lays siege against Jerusalem, 2/3 shall be killed, only 1/3 shall have their life preserved. A note, "the third shall be left therein" speaks of their lives being preserved, and remain, It doesn't speak of them being left in the city Jerusalem.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Good news is the third part shall call out to God, and finally receive Jesus as their Messiah.

Chapter 14 is the returning of Jesus who sets foot on mount Olive. This occurs at the end of tribulation and wraps up all the horrible events in tribulation.

My conclusion. Beginning from Zechariah 11, God foretells all the major events which leads to Christ's return in Zechariah 14. It begins with three shepherds war, then rapture, and then the appearance of Anti Christ. Then God proceeds to foretell the battle of Gog/Magog, and how He defends Israel. Later on He pours out His spirit upon the 144,000 Jews, so that they can see and mourn for the one they pierced. But tragedy happens in mid trib when 2/3 shall perish while 1/3 shall remain. God wraps up the tribulation events in chapter 14 with Jesus' return to Mount Olive.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


What is the next event after the battle of Gog/Magog from Zechariah 12 verse 1 to 9?

Mourning the One they Pierced

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon. 12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart; 13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart; 14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

After Gog/Magog, many Israelis shall come to Jesus and accept him as their Messiah. They mourn for the one they pierced. They are the 144,000 who come to Christ in Revelation 7. A note here. I believe the number 144,000 stands for perfect before God. It is not necessarily 144,000 but a very large number of them.

Chapter 13 verse 1 to 6 speaks of an end to idolatry. For those who come to Jesus , they shall stop the idolatry and false worship. But tragedy falls upon Israel in the middle of tribulation.

Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.

This event shall take place in middle of tribulation when AC breaks the covenant and lays siege against Jerusalem, 2/3 shall be killed, only 1/3 shall have their life preserved. A note, "the third shall be left therein" speaks of their lives being preserved, and remain, It doesn't speak of them being left in the city Jerusalem.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Good news is the third part shall call out to God, and finally receive Jesus as their Messiah.

Chapter 14 is the returning of Jesus who sets foot on mount Olive. This occurs at the end of tribulation and wraps up all the horrible events in tribulation.

My conclusion. Beginning from Zechariah 11, God foretells all the major events which leads to Christ's return in Zechariah 14. It begins with three shepherds war, then rapture, and then the appearance of Anti Christ. Then God proceeds to foretell the battle of Gog/Magog, and how He defends Israel. Later on He pours out His spirit upon the 144,000 Jews, so that they can see and mourn for the one they pierced. But tragedy happens in mid trib when 2/3 shall perish while 1/3 shall remain. God wraps up the tribulation events in chapter 14 with Jesus' return to Mount Olive.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


There are many events in tribulation which God has omitted from Zechariah chapter 11 to chapter 14. Examples are the revival of Roman Empire / the league in Daniel 11:23, king of the north/AC versus king of the south in Daniel 11:25-27, AC invades Egypt, Ethiopia, Libya after he attacks Israel in mid-trib, the global warfare when noises from east /China and north/Russia troubles AC, and he is fury and goes out to make away many.

The reason is simple. Israel is God's center piece from Zechariah chapter 11 to chapter 14. God only focuses on Israel, and how their temperament change according to the events affecting them.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


There are many events in tribulation which God has omitted from Zechariah chapter 11 to chapter 14. Examples are the revival of Roman Empire / the league in Daniel 11:23, king of the north/AC versus king of the south in Daniel 11:25-27, AC invades Egypt, Ethiopia, Libya after he attacks Israel in mid-trib, the global warfare when noises from east /China and north/Russia troubles AC, and he is fury and goes out to make away many.

The reason is simple. Israel is God's center piece from Zechariah chapter 11 to chapter 14. God only focuses on Israel, and how their temperament change according to the events affecting them.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


There are many events in tribulation which God has omitted from Zechariah chapter 11 to chapter 14. Examples are the revival of Roman Empire / the league in Daniel 11:23, king of the north/AC versus king of the south in Daniel 11:25-27, AC invades Egypt, Ethiopia, Libya after he attacks Israel in mid-trib, the global warfare when noises from east /China and north/Russia troubles AC, and he is fury and goes out to make away many.

The reason is simple. Israel is God's center piece from Zechariah chapter 11 to chapter 14. God only focuses on Israel, and how their temperament change according to the events affecting them.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,


This is a topic re the timing of Psalm 83, 4th transgression in Amos 1-2, and the three shepherds war. I need to remind readers that Edom is modern day Jordan who is one of the participants in the above war.

A Prophecy against Edom

Isaiah 21:11 The burden of Dumah. He calleth to me out of Seir, Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night?

12 The watchman said, The morning cometh, and also the night: if ye will inquire, inquire ye: return, come.

I have attached a biblical map of Seir. It is situated to the east of Dead Sea, part of Edom territory. 


There is a voice from Seir, ask the watchman "what of the night?". There must have been a disaster and a war which just strikes people living in Seir, and prompts them to find out where they are in God's timeline of end time events. This places the war of Psalm 83, 4th transgression and three shepherds war before the tribulation. It is because if the war erupts within 7 years tribulation, they should know where they are in God's timeline. If the war breaks out in the first year of tribulation, they know that they have six years left before they see Jesus' second coming. If the war happens in mid-trib, they know that they have 3.5 years remaining before they meet Jesus. For them to ask the question "what of the night", the war has to be pre-trib because the tribulation hasn't occurred yet. They don't know where they are in God's 7 years tribulation timeline, and how many years remaining before they see Jesus returning to earth.

Watchman said, the morning comes, and also the night, if you will inquire, inquire, and return, inquire again.

Watchman didn't give them an answer, but rather, encouraging them to come back and inquire. Same reason, It is because the war is pre-trib, therefore watchman doesn't have the answer either. Having said this, Psalm 83, 4th transgression, and three shepherds war has to be pre-trib, and occurs before the 7 years tribulation.

Ray



Hi John and Doves,

Concerning the timing of three shepherds war aka the 4th transgression in Amos 1 and 2, this war should happen in summer according to Isaiah 16:8-9 and Jeremiah 48:32.

Isaiah 16 is an oracle against Moab / the modern day Jordan.

8 For the fields of Heshbon languish, and the vine of Sibmah: the lords of the heathen have broken down the principal plants thereof, they are come even unto Jazer, they wandered through the wilderness: her branches are stretched out, they are gone over the sea.

9 Therefore I will bewail with the weeping of Jazer the vine of Sibmah: I will water thee with my tears, O Heshbon, and Elealeh: for the shouting for thy summer fruits and for thy harvest is fallen.

Key words are " for the shouting for thy summer fruits and for thy harvest is fallen".

Since Jordan is one of the three shepherds and one of the accomplice in the 4th transgression, God foretells tragedy shall come to her summer fruits and her harvest. It places the war in summer.

Jeremiah 48:32 O vine of Sibmah, I will weep for thee with the weeping of Jazer: thy plants are gone over the sea, they reach even to the sea of Jazer: the spoiler is fallen upon thy summer fruits and upon thy vintage.

Same logic here. Jeremiah 48 is God's judgment against Moab / modern day Jordan. Key words are "the spoiler is fallen upon thy summer fruits and upon thy vintage." 

Tragedy shall be fallen upon her summer fruits and upon her vintage. This war shall be fought in summer.

Ray