Paul Wilson (3 May 2011)
"RE: Rene re vision of heaven and hell"

 http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/rene430-2.htm

I think your jumping the gun Rene.
Finding one thing your think is false to discard the whole thing is
premature.
There are many excellent revelations in it and one being the pope, whom
mankind thinks is so great, suffering in hell.
I think she is right, what man thinks so highly may be an abomination to God.

Besides that,
there are many other people here that have differing opinions on who the city
of 7 hills are.
New York, D.C., Jerusalem itself, some Muslim city, the list goes on.
This prophecy does not in any way negate the implicity of Rome being deeply
involved in the deception.
Rome and the papacy will definitely be involved in the last 7 years.


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I agree with René that it isn't truly from God. Several people are mentioned where he never says they are there for a LACK of faith in him as their Lord and savior but only mentions their sins, like the boy and his rebellion or like her G-Grandma not forgiving, or just has them tell her to warn people not to listen to their songs (Selna). It seems odd, if this was Jesus, that he wouldn’t mention the inhabitants of hell rejecting him as being the reason they are there. The thing he mentions most is the people there didn’t repent. While repentance is important the reason one goes to hell is still lack of faith in Jesus as your Lord and savior. We all sin and thus all deserve hell it is through the grace of God which we receive by faith in his son that we are able to escape hell and enter into heaven. While in heaven finally he mentions salvation is by him alone “no one saves but me” but why did he not mention this in regards to the people in hell and that since they didn’t believe they weren't saved????
 
How can Mary, his mom, have NO knowledge of what goes on on earth??? Apparently angels are constructing houses in the NJ but their work speed is dependent upon you the more you do for the kingdom the faster they work and if you do nothing they do nothing. HUH???
 
On the rapture she gives a verse about the 5th trumpet (they will seek death and death and not find it) and says that she was shown accidents happening and no one dies. The rapture and the fifth trumpet don’t seem to go together. Jesus says it will be too late for those left behind that the time to repent is now that will no longer be opportunity in the trib. Too late?? No opportunity?? Also to go in the rapture we have to be living a holy life. What is the standard for holy??? Many have problems with certain sins what of them??? She sees TV and magazines declaring after the rapture “Christ had come”. But how can that be and people then turn to the AC??? Jesus said the holy spirit will NOT be on earth in the trib but how can anyone be saved without him???? Some who know the Lord will be left behind. HUH?? Also they, who know the lord but don’t go, will attempt suicide after being left behind. She was given this message to give out that was urgent but the Lord put her back in a body that took 2 weeks to “recover” be able to deliver the message. I would have thought the Lord would have made her recovery quite rapid if it was so urgent.
 
Also she kept begging not to be taken to hell despite the Lord assuring her he would protect her and that he needed her to see hell to deliver a message for him to people on earth but then at the end she begs not to be put back in her body even when he says she has to to deliver the message. She seems to not wish to obey the Lord. When being taken to hell she was given pen and paper to write down what she saw. Why?? She can’t take the paper with her so why would she need it????
 
So much seems to depend on her giving the message because his people have turned away from him and don’t know about hell. seems a bit like inflating ones own worth than a true visitation. Reminds me of Jesse DuPlantis’ heaven trip, which is full of problems, where the lord kept telling him people don’t know He, the Lord, is coming and Jesse has to tell them.
 
Also why did she have to die to see these things in the bible John was taking in the spirit to heaven but we are not told he died. Many others who have seen hell likewise did not need to die first and the ones that did die it was done in a few to several minutes time, maybe up to a hour, not in 24 hours. You would think if she was gone 24 hours she would have seen much more.
 
While I agree we should not be quick to dismiss a account by a person who says they went to hell or heaven or saw Jesus we should not so quickly accept one blindly. we must check with scripture to ensure it’s accuracy.
 
Paul
 
 
 
Frank R Molver (2 May 2011)
"Rene re vision of heaven and hell"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2011/rene430-2.htm
 
I think your jumping the gun Rene.
Finding one thing your think is false to discard the whole thing is premature.
There are many excellent revelations in it and one being the pope, whom mankind thinks is so great, suffering in hell.
I think she is right, what man thinks so highly may be an abomination to God.
 
Besides that,
there are many other people here that have differing opinions on who the city of 7 hills are.
New York, D.C., Jerusalem itself, some Muslim city, the list goes on.
This prophecy does not in any way negate the implicity of Rome being deeply involved in the deception.
Rome and the papacy will definitely be involved in the last 7 years.