Marilyn Agee (23 May 2011)
"Jim Goodrick (20 May) :"2 Thessalonians 2:3""


From: Marilyn Agee
Re: Jim Goodrick (20 May 2011)
"2 Thessalonians 2:3"
 
Hi:
> > 1. There will be no rapture until the "falling away" ( apostasy ) takes place....
 
What kind of apostacy could come that is not here already? The Greek "he apostacia" means "the departure." The verb form is used when one party DEPARTS after a divorce.
 
> > and there will be no rapture until :
> > 2. The man of sin ( the future antichrist ) will be revealed by SITTING in the temple as God.
 
The First-Trump Rapture takes place before Mid-Trib (Rev 4:1). Satan cannot enter into the man of sin until Satan is cast down from heaven Mid-Trib (Rev 12:9).
 
The man of sin will be the Satan-possessed son of perdition, the False Prophet. Satan cannot enter into him until Mid-Trib. Rev 12:7-9 says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him."
 
Rev 17:8 says, "The beast (Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot, the first son of perdition), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition (the False Prophet, the 2nd and last son of perdition): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was (in man, Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), and yet is (exists)."

> > Until those two events take place, it is too far out of the ballpark to configure, even with disclaimers.
> > Now a person can twist 2 Thessalonians 2:3  all to pieces until it "says" 180 degrees the opposite of what it simply says : no rapture until 2 things happen first.
The New Testament was written in Greek. We can be misled by two errors in the English KJV translation of 2Th 2:2-4.
 
It says, "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST (should be DAY OF THE LORD, i.e., the day of the second Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY (a DEPARTING, i.e., the First-Trump Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin be revealed (SECOND), the son of perdition (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet); 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (Mid-Trib).
 
The First-Trump Rapture of I Thess 4:16,17 will take place first, before Mid-Trib. Satan will be cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib and be cast "INTO" the Earth. After that, Satan will come up out of the Earth and go into the False Prophet, who will be revealed as the "man of sin" when he sits in the Temple "shewing himself that he is God," thus desecrating the Temple.
 
The Introduction of the Tischendorf New Testament tells us when three older copies of the Bible were found that were not available to the translators when the KJV was published in 1611. The KJV was the first translation to make the mistake of "apostacy" in 2Thess 2:3,4. Previous translations had departing.
 
In his New Testament, Tischendorf noted where the older copies differed from the KJV. That makes his work outstanding.
 
The Vatican Codex (V) was found in the Vatican library. When it was acquired is not known, but it was listed in their first catalog, dated 1475.
 
The Alexandrin Codex (A) was presented to King Charles in 1628 by the Patriarch of Constantinople. Having previously been the Patriarch of Alexandria, he had brought the Codex from Alexandria himself. Unger's Bible Dictionary said it was published in 1078.
 
Parts of the Sinaitic Codex (S) were found by Tichendorf himself in 1844 and1859 at the Convent of St. Catherine on what is commonly thought to be Mt. Sinai. (I think it was Mt. Jebel Helal in the desert nearer the Mediterranean Sea, because they never left the desert on the way to Mt. Sinai.)
 
2Th 2:2-4 (KJV) says, "That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the DAY OF CHRIST (should be DAY OF THE LORD, which is Jesus' Long Day, the Day of God's Wrath) is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
 
Tishindorf's note at the bottom of the page says that the "DAY OF CHRIST" was the "DAY OF THE LORD" in "SVA," meaning that all three older copies, Sinaiatic, Vaticanus and Alexandrian, had "DAY OF THE LORD." 
 
The DAY OF THE LORD is one long day, the DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, at the end of the Great Tribulation, the shortened last half of the Tribulation. That will be the day of the Last-Trump Rapture (I Cor 15:51-54), not the First-Trump Rapture (I Thess 4:16,17), which precedes the time when the False Prophet is revealed.
 
At the first Rapture, the wise-virgin Philadelphian saints, for which the Lord has no words of condemnation, will be caught up to Heaven. At that time, those saints will become incorruptible, but not yet immortal. At the second Rapture, ALL saints will become immortal.
 
I Cor 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We (all believers) shall not all sleep (i.e., die), but we shall ALL (including Paul) be CHANGED, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP (but not at the first trump): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible (those caught up in the first Rapture are also incorruptible), and we (all the saints, INCLUDING PAUL) shall be CHANGED. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption (that happens at the first Rapture, which takes place before Mid-Trib), and this mortal must put on immortality" (that happens at the last Rapture, which takes place before God's wrath falls on Earth on the great and terrible Day of the Lord).
 
The KJV's "falling away first," should have been translated as "DEPARTING FIRST", i.e., the First-Trump Rapture will take place before the man of sin, the False Prophet, second beast of Rev 13, is revealed.
 
I Thess 2:3,4 in the Tyndale Bible says,"Let no man deceave you by eny meanes for THE LORDE COMMETH NOT EXCEPTE THER COME A DEPARTYNGE FIRST and that that synfull man be opened ye sonne of perdicion 4 which is an adversarie and is exalted above all that is called god or that is worshipped: so that he shall sitt as God in temple of god and shew him silfe as god."
2Th 2:3,4 in the Geneva Bible says, 
"Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a DEPARTING FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition, 4 Which is an aduersarie, and exalteth him selfe against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doeth sit as God in the Temple of God, shewing him selfe that he is God."
 
Seven early Bibles have DEPARTING FIRST in 2 Thess. 2:3. We are on solid ground if we accept it.

1.  Wycliffe Bible (1330) has "departynge first"
2.  Tyndale Bible (1525/26) has "departynge first"
3.  Coverdale Bible 1535) has "departynge first"
4.  Crammer Bible (1539) has "departynge first"
5.  Geneva Bible (1560) has "departing first"
6.  Breeches Bible (1583) has "departing first"
It is listed separately and dated differently. However, Breeches Bible seems to be a book-collector's term for the earlier Geneva Bible
7.  Beza Bible (1583) has "departing first"
The KJV translation of 1611 was the first to make the 2 errors in 2 Thess. 2:3,4.
Several modern translations followed in the KJV footsteps, but the World English Bible corrected the second error.
 
The "departing first" is the First-Trump Rapture. It comes before the man of sin, the False Prophet, is revealed Mid-Trib.
 
I just downloaded the entire World English Bible, a modern update of the ASV of 1901, for eSword from http://ebible.org/web/
 
Below is 2 Thess 2:1-4 (WEB). The Day of Christ (the first Rapture) should be Day of the Lord (the second Rapture and Day of God's Wrath), but the main thing, "the departure", is correct.
 
2Th 2:1-4 (WEB) "Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you 2 not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the DAY OF CHRIST had come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God."

Agape,
Marilyn Agee
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