Lyle Cooper (26 May 2011)
"Answer to Bill Griese's letter to Lyle Cooper 19 May"

 

Bill,

You wrote:

"The Wrath of God is the "Day of Vengeance" and lasts about One year according to Isaiah 34:8 and 63:4, and the illustration the Lord Jesus Christ gives of Noah's Flood."

Isaiah 34:8 is an old covenant passage. It is like a telescopic view. Revelation, on the other hand, is a microscopic view. Which will give us a closer look? Of course, Revelation will give us the more accurate view.

We know from what Jesus said, that "those days" of great tribulation will begin at the abomination. We know from Daniel 9:27 that the abomination is the event that divides the week into two halves. We read in Rev. 13:

5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

We understand that these 42 months are the SAME 42 months that the holy city will be trampled, and the same 1260 days that the two witnesses will be testifying, and the same 1260 days that the woman will be fleeing and the same 3 1/2 years that the woman will be fed and protected. These verses give us a pretty good idea that He will be "wearing out" the saints for the last 3.5 years of the 70th week.  However, Jesus said that He would "shorten" those days of GT. It is NOT the 42 months that are shortened: it is the days of GT that take place DURING the 42 months. So how much are they shortened? 

What method does God use to shorten those days? He uses the vials of His wrath. After a few of the vials have been poured out, the man of sin will not be able to find an able bodied man to hunt down and kill anyone! They will be in darkness, in great pain, in tremendous heat, with NOTHING to drink. So the man of sin will be rendered helpless.  So how long will he be able to keep up the murder? It is only a guess, but my guess is perhaps three years.  We don't know WHEN God will begin the vials, for John does not tell us.  I am convinced the days of GT will last FAR longer than one year.  I don't see Isaiah 34:8 as an instruction as to how long it will last.


 Isa 34:8For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Is the purpose of this verse to limit God's vengeance to one year?  Ask yourself this: Is Jesus angry at the battle of Armageddon? Is not that a part of God's wrath?


Isaiah 63

 1Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.

 2Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?

 3I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.

 4For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.

 5And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

 6And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.

Does it sound like Jesus is angry? Certainly it does! We already looked at Isaiah 34:8, but notice verse 6:

6The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

Both these verses are speaking of the same event. These things will happen when Jesus comes on the white horse as seen in Rev. 19. Therefore, God is STILL ANGRY in chapter 19. His wrath began in chapter 6 and extends at least to chapter 19.

What point was Jesus making when He mentioned Noah?

Matt 24

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.


The point Jesus is making is the SUDDENNESS of His coming. They knew not until the flood came...so shall also the coming of Jesus be.  One day they were marrying and giving in marriage, just living life to the fullest - and the next day they were drowned. His point is to BE READY, for it will come suddenly, just as it did for them, and just as it did for Sodom and Gomorrah.

Therefore, Jesus was not using Noah to show us how long. That was not His purpose.  His purpose is to WATCH for we don't know WHEN it will happen.

Quote:
Coop, I believe that Matt 24:9 begins the midpoint, with the Fourth Seal and World War 3, and fulfills Rev 12:17 "And the dragon was enraged with the woman (Israel), and he went to make War with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." World Wars 1 & 2 were only types of the Fourth Seal, WW3.   End quote

Matt 24:9
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

This is the midpoint? No. This is the midpoint:

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)


Let's read Daniel 9:

27And he shall enter into a strong and firm covenant with the many for one week [seven years]. And in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and offering to cease [for the remaining three and one-half years]; and upon the wing or pinnacle of abominations [shall come] one who makes desolate, until the full determined end is poured out on the desolator.

What is the real meaning of this word, "midst?"  It is the Hebrew word,
chetsiy.

Thayers says:

1) half

a) half

b) middle



The root word is "
chatsah"

) to divide, cut in two, cut short, live half (of one's life)

a) (Qal)

1) to divide

2) to half, cut in two




Do we have proof that the week is cut it two?

Dan 12
7And I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right and his left hand toward the heavens and swore by Him Who lives forever that it shall be for a time, times, and a half a time [or three and one-half years]; and when they have made an end of shattering and crushing the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Dan 7:25And he shall speak words against the Most High [God] and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the law; and the saints shall be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time [three and one-half years].

Then we have FIVE times the last 3 1/2 years are mentioned in Revelation, as 1260 days, as 42 months and as time, times and half of time. So altogether we have 7 verses that tell us the week is divided into two halves. And it will be divide by the abomination event as shown in Dan 9:27. This abomination happens at the same moment that the 7th trumpet sounds in Revelation.

Lyle