Lyle Cooper (18 May 2011)
"Bill Griese (14 May 2011)"

 

Bill,

I must disagree with your premise just as strongly. Please note, Jesus gave this discourse back about 30 AD, before any of these things happened. But looking back, so much has happened since then; for example, two world wars and too many small wars to count! (There shall be wars and rumors of wars.)

The word "end" is found five times in this chapter.

    Matt. 24
    3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

    6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

    13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



Verse 31 "end" has a different meaning, so not listed.

Notice that Jesus does not speak of the "end" until verse 13! But let's back up and understand what He is really teaching.

    5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

     6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.


Over the last 2000 years there have been many saying "I am Christ."
Next, Jesus tells us that we will hear or wars and rumors of wars. How long is a war? Usually several years! How long is a rumor of a war? Again, could be several years. But we are not speaking of ONE war, or ONE rumor, but more than one. Does this seem like it is suppose to fit in a 3.5 year period of time? CERTAINLY NOT! Now, notice the last 6 words of verse 6: "the end is not yet." Jesus is telling us that the wars, rumors of wars, etc, are NOT speaking of end times. And we find very easily that these things have happened over and over for the past 2000 years.

    7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


Notice the preposition, "for." This ties verse seven to verse six, and the phrase "the end is not yet." Therefore, the nations rising against nations, kingdoms against kingdoms, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, ALL go with "the end is not yet. In other words, all these things happened from 30 AD to 2011 AD. But Jesus has NOT YET begun to speak of the end.

    8All these are the beginning of sorrows.


Again, "these things" refers back to the list just mentioned, which is tied to "the end is not yet."

    9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

"Then" WHEN? Of course during the same time frame as the previous verses, referring to the church age, for "the end is not yet." Certainly before Constantine, both the Jews and the Christians were afflicted and killed and hated.

    10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

"Then" WHEN? Of course during the same time frame as the previous verses, referring to the church age, for "the end is not yet."

    11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

     12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

The "and" in these two and verse 10 again ties all these verses to the phrase, "the end is not yet." So all these verses are making reference to events in the CHURCH AGE, NOT the 70th week.

Finally, in verse 13 and 14, "end is mentioned:

    13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

So right up to verse 13, Jesus is still speaking of church age events. But verse 13 I believe fits the second half of the 70th week. And of course "the end" will not come until after the 70th week has ended. Now, notice where in time Jesus goes next:

    15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

"Therefore" wherefore? The therefore is there to refer back to verses 13 and 14, that speak of the end. Notice, Jesus totally skipped over the first 3.5 years of the 70th week, and begins in verse 15 with the MIDPOINT. The next verses refer to the second half of the week.

Many people like to show how verses 5-7 SEEM to correlate with the four seals. And I agree, they do. There can be no doubt that the red horse and his rider with the sword are to bring wars. There can be no doubt that the black horse and rider brings famine, and the pale horse and rider brings pestilence. But if we study these first five seals, again we can determine that they are CHURCH AGE events. Jesus broke the first five seals as soon as He ascended into heaven.

If we example the 5th seal, and pay attention to how long they must wait, there is a great clue there to the timing of the rapture. The 5th seal is CHURCH AGE martyrs. They are told that they must wait until the final martyr is killed as they were. But wait: this cannot be meaning the method used to bring death - for some were stoned, some were burned at the stake, etc. No, the meaning is, they were CHURCH AGE martyrs, and they all must way for the FINAL church age martyr - the last one killed AS a church age martyr.

So what would cause a certain martyr to be the FINAL church age martyr?  Of course the END of the church age. What is the next event after the 5th seal? Of course it is the 6th seal. What are the events of the 6th seal the signs for? Of course the beginning of the "day of the Lord" or the "day of His wrath." John is telling us (as Paul did in 1 thes. 5) that the day of the Lord will begin IMMEDIATELY after the rapture of the church ENDS the church age.

What will be the first event of the rapture? It will be the resurrection of the dead in Christ. How long have some of them been dead? Almost 2000 years!  Matt. 27 reads, "the earth did quake....and the graves were opened." What great event happened at the same time? The firstfruits of the Old Testament saints were resurrected! And it seems that their resurrection caused a mighty earthquake. When the two witnesses are resurrected, it is written again that there was an earthquake. I am convinced that when the dead in Christ resurrect, there will be a WORLDWIDE earthquake, because the dead in Christ are found the world around. So WHERE in Revelation do we find a world wide earthquake? It is found at the 6th seal.

Paul tells us that at the moment of the rapture, the saints get "salvation" and get to live together with HIM, while the unsaved get SUDDEN DESTRUCTION. Would a worldwide earthquake cause "sudden destruction?" Certainly it would. And Paul tells us that this will be the beginning of the day of the Lord. Therefore, the rapture of the church will be the TRIGGER for the start of the day of the Lord.

Finally, if we example what John saw immediately after the 6th seal (chapter 7) we see that John saw a HUGE crowd, too large to number, around the throne. He saw the church, having just been raptured. Therefore, both John and Paul teach us that the rapture is the FIRST EVENT of the 6th seal.

Coop