Bill Griese (21 May 2011)
"To Leslie: The Sixth Seal can't be Pre-70th week"

To Leslie: The Sixth Seal can't be Pre-70th week

Hi Leslie,

You wrote: "I have to disagree with that the 6th seal is not pre Tribulation. Matt 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 are not the same event as the 6th seal event. They are two different events."

I'm sorry Leslie, but I must continue to maintain that Matt 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27 and the Sixth Seal in Rev 6:12-17 are all the same event. Here we have two Apostles recounting the words of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Olivet Discourse, and the Apostle John describing what he sees when the Sixth Seal is opened. John describes what he sees in his own words which accounts for the language which is a little different about the Sun and Moon, but is certainly close enough to mean the same thing. For me, the first clincher that they are all the same event is the stars falling from heaven in all three accounts. And I can't see the stars falling from heaven and the sky rolling up like a scroll happening more than once. The Sixth Seal is a supernatural event and announces the Wrath of God, and also causes a great amount of damage, moving every mountain and island out of place, so you can imagine what it does to cities. This would make it impossible for Antichrist to continue his worldwide control, much less start it from the beginning. Then, immediately, all the kings of the earth, the rich men, and everybody else go into hiding because they're all terrified. Nobody would follow Antichrist after this display of God's power. If Antichrist went to the temple mount and claimed to be God after this everybody would laugh at him, not worship him. The unsaved even tell us they finally know who God is in Rev 6:16 & 17. The evidence shows the Sixth Seal begins the Wrath of God at Christ's Second Coming in the sky, ends Antichrist's control, and can't be at the beginning of the 70th week.

Rev 6:12-17 KJV "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Matt 24:29-31 KJV "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:(earthquake) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

Mark 13:24-27 KJV "But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."

Also, Please see Brother Jim Goodrick's post yesterday on 2 Thess 2:3
2 Thessalonians 2:3


Bill Griese