Revelation
17 – A Duality of the 7 Kings & the Beast?
Preamble:
The
Revelation 17:10,11 application to American Presidents has
been posted on Five
Doves before, however, I will herein make a stronger
argument for this
possibility.
The Revelation 17:10,11 passage of
prophetic scripture is known in the commentaries as one of
the mysteries of Revelation – it is my hypothesis herein, it
may be a mystery because it could have an ambiguous or
duality of interpretation.
Many of the great commentaries https://www.studylight.org/commentary/revelation/17-10.html seem
to agree, more or less, that this passage was completely
fulfilled in the past and pertains to the fall of once
powerful empires (Kings, consuls, dictators, decemvirs,
tribunes), and the Christian emperors to come. Then, some
bring it forward to the Tribulation period and conclude with
the antichrist and his one-world government. Some
interpret it as the seven kings in the succession of Roman
emperors, the beast meaning the Roman emperors, specifically
Nero, and it all refers to Rome, either pagan, Christian, or
papal. The eighth king being the Papacy, which takes
the name of the beast, because it is the head of the beast,
and the only surviving head of the beast, or Roman empire,
and now has become Papal. The Papal does not fall like
the other seven (Revelation 17:10), but is destroyed (as in
Babylon to be destroyed in Revelation 18:10), and goes to
its own perdition. Some commentary identifies the 8th King as the
antichrist one world ruler (King).
In context and chronological order, the Tribulation
seal, trumpet and bowl judgements have been concluded as we
see in the execution of the seventh bowl judgement in Chapter
16:17-21. So Chapter 17 is not a continuation of an
order of Revelation chronology, but a look back (or forward),
as an angel explains the
judgement of the harlot of Babylon (Revelation 17:7-18).
Many prophecy teachers have struggled as well with who is
Mystery Babylon who is destroyed in one-hour (Revelation
18:10), and many believe it refers to the United States and
particularly New York, for many good reasons. Again,
possibly a duality in fulfillment can be interpreted
here. However, it is my firm belief Mystery Babylon and
Revelation 18:10 refer to Rome (see Bill Salus latest book and
GAP thesis “Apocalypse Road” for his proofs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlevEujX4RA).
Is there a duality in meaning, interpretation, and in
judgements in the Bible? Scripture is replete with
metaphor and use of parallel meaning and dual
interpretation. Proverbs 25:2 tells us “It is the glory
of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to
search out a matter.” One interpretation of
this passage states “God conceals deep truths, making them
mysteries, and that is good and glorious. The good and
glorious role of the most noble of men, on the other hand, is
to search out those mysteries.”
Jonathan Cahn in his book “The Harbinger” sees the
Isaiah 9:10 judgement as a prophetic warning to the United
States. Isaiah 9:10 was clearly speaking to Israel,
however, how many times does history seem to be repeating
itself in America today? The words of Isaiah 9:10
were first uttered by leaders in Israel and in response to a
limited strike by Assyria on the lands of Zebulun and Naphtali
– an attack the prophet makes clear is actually part of a
limited judgment by God against apostasy. It wasn’t
meant to destroy the nation, but to awaken it [as Obama was
given to America as both a judgement and to awaken it!].
However, says Cahn, Israel didn’t take the cue. Instead, the
response from the people in Isaiah 9:10 is one of defiance.
Many times things in the Bible are stated as a
warning and provide an example of the consequences or the
probable (or actual) outcomes. The message being, if
future generations do not heed the example or warning the same
consequences or outcomes will be manifest on them as
well. As an example, Genesis 12:3 “I will bless
those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you” is
universal and for all generations – the outcomes will be the
same, a blessing or a cursing, regardless of which
dispensation or generation or peoples involved.
As in Israel’s defiance of God (Isaiah 9:10), so have
the the Presidents (Kings) of the U.S. defied God. Genesis 15:18
says “On the same day the
Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: To your descendants
I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great
river, the River Euphrates.” Joel 3:2 God states the
ultimate consequence of those trying to divide the land God
(eternally) gave Israel “I will gather all the nations and bring
them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat. Then I will enter
into judgment with them there on behalf of My people and My
inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the
nations; and they have divided up My land.” …that is
the final judgement…it begins with Genesis 12:3.
Starting with King Carter through
King Trump, the record is one of defiance to recognize the
land covenant God made with Israel:
1. Jimmy Carter – Throughout his
term he kept on declaring Israeli settlements to
be illegal and an obstacle to peace. In 1980
the US voted for resolution 465, which referred to
Jerusalem as part of the Occupied Territories and
stated that Israel’s claims to the sovereignty of the city
were void. The Carter era was also the beginning of
“Land For Peace,” which is an interpretation of UN
Security Council Resolution 242 which has formed
the basis of subsequent Arab-Israeli peace making.
2. Ronald Regan - less than a month after
he took office, he expressed his opinion that the
expansion of Israeli settlements was not a constructive
move, and maybe unnecessarily provocative.
3. George H. W. Bush – Senior Bush’s
Secretary of State, James Baker, addressed AIPAC in
1989, stating that Israeli settlement expansion had to
end. Bush’s Administration also referred to
East Jerusalem as Occupied Territory and declared that
the settlement issue was one of the main obstacles for
peace. In 1993 at the end of the Bush term and beginning
of the Clinton term, the Oslo Accords began. “The
greatest diplomatic disaster of modern times has to be the so
called ‘Oslo Peace Accord.’ It makes Neville
Chamberlain's Munich agreement pale into insignificance
by comparison. From its inception in 1993, it has been
built on unrealistic wishes, myths and
outright falsehoods. Even worse, the entire agreement was
based on many false assumptions.” ~ Hal Linsey
4. Bill Clinton – In 1995 Jerusalem was
recognized by the Public Law 104-45 as the ‘undivided’,
‘united’ and ‘reunited’ capital of Israel, and a new U.S.
embassy was ordained to be open no later than
May 1999. Clinton postponed the move of the embassy
during his term.
5. George W. Bush – Bush Jr. encouraged a
"roadmap to peace" (Oslo II) and supported the withdrawal
from Gaza. In 2008 he held a joint news conference with
Palestinian president
Mahmoud Abbas called on Israel to end its 41-year occupation of
Palestinian land and predicted a peace treaty would be
signed by the time he leaves office.
6. Barack Obama – Cited by even liberal
press accounts as the most hostile and anti-Israel president
of all time. He was the architect of the Iran Deal,
which the Israeli Defense Ministry stated “The Iran deal is as
harmful for Israel as the Munich Agreement with Hitler.
Weeks prior to leaving office, in a dramatic departure from
the longstanding U.S. policy of vetoing anti-Israel
resolutions, the Obama administration abstained from voting on
a United Nations Security Council resolution calling for a
halt to Israeli construction in the West Bank and eastern
Jerusalem, thereby allowing the measure to pass, throwing
Israel under the preverbal bus.
7. Donald Trump – Likely the most
Pro-Israel President ever, however, as others before him,
seeks to be the one to establish a peace agreement
between Israel and its Arab neighbors – see further below
his statements from the recent Joint Press Conference with
Israeli Prime Ministry Benjamin Netanyahu, which could
lead to the fulfillment of some Major Bible prophecy!
It is then in this context of a possible ambiguous or duality
of the message of Revelation 17:10,11, that this study
suggests that Revelation 17:10,11 is ALSO possibly pointing to
the last seven Presidents of the U.S. and their defiance of
the God of Israel (trying to divide Israel), and the potential
connection to the coming Antichrist, who tag teams with the
Mystery Babylon and The Mother of Harlots. If the
ambiguous/duality is valid, the possibility then exists that
the traditional commentary accounts, and the account below,
converge with the 8th King
being the same in both cases.
As this study also speaks to the soon to come rapture
and tribulation period, it is not the intent to try to set
specific dates for any event(s) but point to the fact that we
are in the very last days and the coming of Christ for His
bride continues to be eminent!
Revelation 17 – A Duality of
the 7 Kings & the Beast?
Revelation 17:10,11
“There are also seven kings [American Presidents,
essentially “Kings of the World”]. Five have fallen [completed their term], one is [the 6th - Obama], and the other
has not yet come [7th -Trump – remember
all the 7’s associated with Trump – see below]. And when he
comes, he [Trump] must continue a
short time [something
happens and his time is cut short]. The beast that was [Obama], and is not [Obama ended his term], is
himself also the eighth,
and is of the seven, and is going to perdition (or
a state of eternal punishment and damnation).”
If this verse is read and understood during the Obama
era, it makes perfect sense.
1. Jimmy Carter (1977-1981). Why start
the “7-Kings” count with Carter? After the fulfillment
of Ezekiel 37 (the Jews returning to their land, becoming
a State in 1948), the 1977-8 Camp David Accords was the
starting point of Israel’s False Peace Agreements.
The Camp David Accords were
signed by Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat and Israeli Prime
Minister Menachem Begin on 17 September 1978, following twelve
days of secret negotiations at Camp David] The two framework agreements were signed
at the White House, and were witnessed by United States
President Jimmy Carter. The second of these frameworks (A Framework for
the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel)
led directly to the 1979 Egypt-Israel Peace Treaty. Due to the
agreement, Sadat and Begin received the shared 1978 Nobel
Peace Prize.
Carter’s advisers insisted on the
establishment of an Egyptian-Israeli agreement which would
lead to an eventual solution to the Palestine issue. The
Camp David Accords comprise two separate agreements:
“A Framework for
Peace in the Middle East” and
“A Framework for
the Conclusion of a Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel”,
the second leading towards the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty
signed in March 1979. The agreements and the peace treaty were
both accompanied by “side-letters” of understanding between
Egypt and the U.S. and Israel and the U.S. The preamble
of the
“Framework for Peace in the Middle East” starts
with the basis of a peaceful settlement of the Arab–Israeli
conflict. Source:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords
It was the 1st Peace
Agreement between Israel and any of its Arab neighbors since
the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948.
2. Ronald Regan
3. George H. W. Bush
4. Bill Clinton
5. George W. Bush
6. Barack Obama
7. Donald Trump – on his inauguration day 2017,
was 70 years 7 months and 7 days old (777) and it was
also Hebrew year 5777!!
8. Barack Obama - resurfaces to
lead a one-world government and as world ruler (possible King
of the North
Daniel 11:36-45)
and “confirms the covenant” Daniel 9:27 for a False Peace with
all Israel’s Arab neighbors, until he breaks that covenant and
peace himself at the mid-point of Jacobs Trouble. These
then are the bookends of False Peace starting with King Carter
and ending with (False King of the World Obama)…this before
Jesus Christ 2
nd coming
as
“The everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah
9:6)
“of the increase of his government [his
authority]
and peace there shall be no end.”
v7.
“the Lord of peace Himself [Jesus
Christ]
give you peace always [eternal]
” 2
Thessalonians 3:16. Jesus is the only one that can bring
about peace, not U.S. Presidents, the UN or other world
powers.
Note:
Isaiah 28:14,15 confirms that Daniel 9:27 is a False Peace
Agreement. “Therefore hear the word of the LORD,
you scoffers who rule this people in Jerusalem. You boast, ‘We
have entered into a covenant with death, with the grave we
have made an agreement. When an overwhelming scourge sweeps
by, it cannot touch us, for we have made a lie our refuge and
falsehood our hiding place.’"
Is the American President the
King of the world? (also known as The Leader of the Free
World)
The US President has powers to decide key political/
social issues that impact the world. In that sense position is
equal to Kings of the past era. However, today he is more
accountable to his own public due to election process. Also,
somewhat accountable to world at large as there are World-wide
governing bodies that do have rights to raise
concern.
The 7th King
(Trump) recently made an astonishing statement during the
recent Joint Press Conference with Israeli Prime Ministry
Benjamin Netanyahu.
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: The two
perquisites of peace, recognition of the Jewish state and
Israel’s security needs, west of the Jordan, they
remain pertinent. We have to look for new ways, new ideas, on
how to re-instate and how to move peace forward. And I believe
that the great opportunity for peace comes from a regional
approach from involving our new found Arab partners in the
pursuant of a broader peace and peace will the Palestinians.
And I greatly look forward to discussing this in detail with
you Mr. President, because, I think that if we work together,
we have a shot.
DONALD TRUMP: And we have been
discussing that and it is
something that is very different, hasn't been discussed
before. And it's actually a much bigger deal -- much more
important deal in a sense. It would take in many, many
countries and would cover a very large territory. So,
I didn't know you were going to be mentioning that, but that's
now (spa) that you did. I think it's a terrific thing and I
think we have some pretty good cooperation from people that in
the past, would never ever have even thought about doing this.
So we'll see how that works out.
Earlier he stated - Our administration is committed to working
with Israel and our common allies in the region towards
greater security and stability. That includes working toward a
peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. The
United States will encourage a peace and really a great peace
deal. We'll be working on it very, very diligently. Very
important to me also, something we want to do.
Could it
be the 7th King (Trump)
drafts a Peace Covenant (with a broad coalition of Arab
nations) and it does not get Consummated before his “short
time” has abruptly ended? The 8th King then “Confirms that
Covenant” Daniel 9:27.
Note: This is a good point to
insert that it is becoming very clear that part of King
777’s (God ordained) role is to expose the truth in these
last days of Church history – Luke 8:17 “For nothing is secret that will not be revealed,
nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to
light.” If you are reading your news, from
WikiLeaks document dumps to exposing all the corruption in
Washington and world-wide pedophile rings, and those working
for a one world government/financial system…he is uncovering
and exposing it all!! Pray for his protection and that
of his family as well as Vice President Pence and family, his
cabinet and their families and all those who support him for
truth and draining of the swamp!
Report: Valerie Jarrett Moves in With Obama to Set
Up Anti-Trump 'Nerve Center'
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/02/valerie-jarrett-moves-obama-plot-against-trump-dc-mansion
“President Barack Obama's former top White House
adviser Valerie Jarrett is moving in with him and will help
with an "insurgency" against President Donald Trump…
Obama's
goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump
from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or
through his impeachment.”
This could explain the “short time” of the 7
th King! So could a
soon Rapture event and the Sudden Destruction that follows be
the cause for a shortened term?
“For when they say, ‘Peace and safety’
then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon
a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.” 1
Thessalonians 5:3. Also see
5777: Year of The Rapture? [
that is a question mark not a
statement]
https://biblicalsignsintheheadlines.com/2016/09/09/5777-are-you-rapture-ready/ …could
this be the reason King 777 time is cut short?
“For the mystery of
lawlessness [6th & 8th King] is already at work; only He
who now restrains will do
so until He is taken out
of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed [for the world to then
know
- Daniel 9:27], whom the
Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy
with the
brightness of His
coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to
the working of Satan, with all
power, signs, and lying
wonders, and with all unrighteous deception…” 2 Thessalonians 2:7-10
It seems somehow appropriate that the 6
th King on September 11, 2011, President
Barack Obama
[a lawless and
lying one], read from Psalm 46 as part of the
ceremony at the World Trade Center site to mark the 10th
anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxFj4mv0rRQ…stating:
Be Still and know that I am God.
I will be exalted among the nations.
I will be exalted in the Earth.
It is also more than interesting that September 11
th also happens to be the
date Jesus was likely born (
Was Jesus born Sept. 11, 3
B.C.? http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/was-jesus-born-sept-11-3-b-c/).
So
by choosing this date to recite the Psalm 46 passage is like
foretelling or sending the message as a counterfeit Christ, of
his birth as antichrist (Satanic God incarnate) and his
returning to be King, and be exalted among the nations and the
Earth!
“The coming of the lawless one is according to
the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying
wonders” 2
Thessalonians 2:9
The period of the 1st King Carter’s election to the fall of
2017 is 40 - years. The number forty can also represent
a generation of man. Because of their sins after leaving
Egypt, God swore that the generation of Israelites who left
Egyptian bondage would not enter their inheritance in Canaan
(Deuteronomy 1). The children of Israel were punished by
wandering the wilderness for 40 years before a new generation
was allowed to possess the promised land. Jesus appeared
to his disciples and others for 40 days after his resurrection
from the dead, after the 40-days he was taken up into
Heaven. The prophet Jonah powerfully warned ancient
Nineveh, for forty days, that its destruction would come
because of its many sins. Forty has long been
universally recognized as an important number, both on account
of the frequency of its occurrence, and the uniformity of its
association with a period of probation, trial,
and chastisement – then comes Judgement
(Jacobs Trouble). Thus, a 40-year count from King Carter
to the re-crowning of King Obama (beginning the Judgement)
also makes sense and the other inferences of 40 as well.
The Great Sign of
Revelation 12 occurs in 2017
Is it’s possible this 40-year count is signaling the
time of the Gentiles is concluding and our Catching Away is at
hand…and, the 8th King is then going to be revealed!
If all these things are found to be true, when understood in
context, 2 Thessalonians 2, confirms that the Rapture of the
church will take place
BEFORE the revealing of
the Antichrist. See (
http://www.prophecydepotministries.net/2012/will-the-church-witness-the-antichrist/) …how close then are
we to the Harpazo? If you did not yet read
Lu Vega’s thoughts in the two linked studies provided, you may
want to review his study and thoughts for consideration to
help answer that question. Linked again below.
~ A Watchman's View