Marilyn Agee (26 March 2017)
"TH (19 March 2017) "WHAT HAPPENS FIRST ?""


> > We Pre-Tribbers

> > So, Here's the Question:
WHEN ....does this "Sealing" take place ?  BEFORE...?  or  AFTER...?   the Rapture ? ?
Maybe even ...DURING ?   If ...ANYBODY has an answer to this, I'd like to hear it


I used to think the Rapture would come before the Tribulation, but when I read Rev 13:5-11 more carefully, I changed my mind. The Rapture will be Mid-Trib.


Rev 13:5-11 says, "And there was given unto him (i.e., Antichrist, the Pontifex Maximus) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (i.e., during the first half of the Tribulation). 6  And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the wise-virgin saints caught up just before the False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib). 7  And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (i.e., the foolish-virgin saints left behind), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8  And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10  He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. 11  And I beheld ANOTHER BEAST (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."


THE CLUE: The voice of the archangel Michael will be heard at the time of the Rapture.

ITh 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17  Then (epeita, after that) we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Forget ICo 15:51-54 for a minute. It applies to the Rapture on the Day of the Lord at the end of the Tribulation. That is when we will get our Immortal bodies.


Rev 12:6-12 says, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 7  And there was war in heaven: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9  And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, NOW (arti, just now, i.e., Mid-Trib) IS COME SALVATION (soteria, rescue, i.e., the RAPTURE), and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12  Therefore REJOICE, YE HEAVENS, AND YE THAT DWELL IN THEM."

Dan 12:1 says, "And at that time (i.e., Mid-Trib) shall MICHAEL stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, EVERY ONE THAT SHALL BE FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK."


2Co_1:22 says, "Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts."

Eph_1:13 says, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise".

Eph_4:30 says, "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."

Marilyn Agee

TH (19 March 2017)

                              WHAT HAPPENS FIRST ?

   Here's a question I really don't have an answer for, and I was hoping someone could
Help answer.  We Pre-Tribbers know, or at least think we know, that all the people that
have died and were Believers in JESUS (and that HE was the Son of GOD, and that HE
Died in order that we might be Reconciled to"back" to GOD)* are going to "Rise" First
and those of us that are Alive (at that time) will (then) be changed into to a "New"
Body and join with JESUS, and the recently "Risen" Believers of the Past, in the SKY,
Never to Separated from JESUS, EVER !  Then WE and JESUS and some other
Heavenly Beings return to DEFEAT what's left of the un-believers and satan and his
bunch,  and JESUS sets up HIS KINGDOM that Reigns on Earth for a Thousand Years.
We, Reign with HIM and satan has been chained up for the duration. That's pretty much the    scenario.  We also know from Scripture that GOD is going to "Seal" HIS
Servants BEFORE anything "Bad" happens on/to the Earth.  So, Here's the Question:
WHEN ....does this "Sealing" take place ?  BEFORE...?  or  AFTER...?   the Rapture ? ?
Maybe even ...DURING ?   If ...ANYBODY has an answer to this, I'd like to hear it.  Of
course their answer MUST be Scripturally sound and supportable.  I have formed
my own idea of how this is going to play out, but I'm going to hold my thoughts to
myself,  so as to not prejudice any responses anybody cares to put forth on this. I
think this is an important distinction to reconcile, as we think about what is about to
unfold for us "in-dwelt" Believers.  I think the answer to this Question, ( the "Correct"
Answer) might shed some Light on the "Multiple Rapture" concept that some people
embrace and argue for.  I say this ....IN LOVE !  "Let's not be to quick to Judge, nor be
Critical of those (of us) that have differing views on our final Earthly moments, as we
are A L L ..AGREED on our FINAL DESTINATION.....the "method" of Arrival is of little
import when compared to the qualifications necessary to be a "ticket holder". HOWEVER,
I will CONFIDENTLY and now..that those that hold w/ the "Post Trib" view are
NOT CORRECT !  AND...IF...they are,  they are for themselves, and ONLY themselves,
CORRECT.  Wouldn't wanna be ya !  There is ABSOLUTELY ...NO WAY...the JESUS
I KNOW and LOVE and HE LOVES gonna put me though that Earthly Hell ! !
The "Post-Trib" view is of WORKS !  Insulting to our Savior !  They DON'T KNOW HIM nor do they HEAR HIS VOICE !  THAT'S A FACT ! !  They wanna be there up on the
Cross with HIM.....Egotistical FOOLS ! !   How dare they cheapen HIS SACRIFICE !
They're gonna GET everything they have wrought for themselves, by themselves !
We are not supposed to suffer Fools, so I will not speak of these Fools anymore.
Let's leave them to their delusions....  When we "think" on the "Sealing", we MUST also
Think about WHO, is actually being Sealed.  Lots and lots of opinions on that.  I think
that we should make that topic#2, after we have sparked some discussion as to "When"
We can, those who are interested enough, pick up the "who" question in the next
chat. I would really appreciate your thoughts on the sequential timing of HIS SEALING as
it relates to the Rapture.  I feel this is the TIME to "look" into this as I believe it's about
   TO HAPPEN....Discuss this w/ HIM....I'd really like to hear from you, what HE SAYS
      to YOU, about this.   Luvyas !   T H

                                                                                         * and HE considers HIS SHEEP