To: Joh B. and all Doves involved in this brotherly litigation: OBAMA

INTRODUCTION

First of all, I agree with:

M.A.P. (7 March 2012) - "Doves"

’I'm really sad to see that the Doves website seems to be changing! I've noticed that people are getting irritated and angry with each other. This is what happens when people try to put their own spin on Bible interpretation!!!! Somebody always thinks they are "righter" than the other guy! And I don't think the Doves should be getting involved in astrology or numerology (gematria, if that's what you want to call it!). Why did He leave us His Word if He's just gonna confuse simpletons like me with all that super-brain stuff? I don't believe it!

Please understand that I say all this out of genuine concern for those who read this site!’ (Me too!)

From: SMALL STRAWS IN A SOFT WIND by MARSHA BURNS: Faith Tabernacle - March 6, 2012 >> > www.spiritofprophecy.com (Small Straws Link)

February 21, 2012: Be careful what you share with others. Your words will either build up or tear down everyone who hears you. Expressing your worry, discouragement, disappointment, and anger will result in defiling those around you, and you will be held accountable for every negative or idle word spoken. (Mt. 12:36)

1 Peter 1:1-5 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious. Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

BODY - main part

To: John B (7 March 2012)

You wrote: ‘you want to dissuade and discredit me by branding me a "dyslexic"’.

I SAY: I think you are, perhaps, confused, but not a dyslexic.

I hope you’re trying your best to understand God’s Word, for if you’re doing this without God’s consent, being called a “dyslexic” shall not be the greatest of your worries.

I do believe you’re right about the antichrist being a demon and the false prophet being human (666: the number of a MAN), as you pointed out and supported with Biblical Scripture.

(By the way, when I see posts where people includes “LOL, He He He, Ha Ha Ha”, no capital letter for jesus (instead of Jesus), god (instead of God), christian (instead of Christian), etc., that makes me think they are NOT taking GOD’ WORD seriously, but as a “laughing matter.”We are not here to ENTERNTAIN lukewarm believers, but to AWAKE THEM according to God’s Will.

I compare that to ‘Christians’ (men and women) who go to church wearing shorts, a baseball cap, sandals, provocative clothes, come when the service has started, LATE, and a FEW of them even spend most of the time either talking to each other, testing or playing games with their cellular phones while “praising God,” believing they are PLEASING Him.

I DO have seem this situation a FEW TIMES, in different churches [denominations]. I know I AM WRONG, but that’s the way I see it.

Pay no attention to me.

I am just as lost as those “faithful” Christians who are trying to find the Narrow Way.)

Now, going back to the AC and the FP, this is where I THINK (most likely I’m wrong) your confusion resides:

1- RIGHT:

‘Starting at verse 11 God dedicates the last 8 verses exclusively to the second beast who we call the false prophet.” “11..Then I saw another beast (second beast)’

WRONG?:

‘The word Then means ‘Next in time, space, or order; immediately afterward.’

Rev. 13:1 says: ‘And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast (AC) rise up out of the sea,’

I SAY: To my understanding, the first beast (the antichrist - AC) APPEARED before the second beast (the false prophet - FP).

Meaning, the AC was already in the scene when the FP appeared. True or False?

2- RIGHT:

‘He also gave us a quiz and a challenge there for those who were wise to determine the identity of the first beast. And that number is 666. Members of the Doves family through their research have accumulated large amounts of data indicating that this number refers to Barack Hussein Obama.’

WRONG?:

‘From the extensive description God gives us in Rev.17 concerning the first beast the antichrist it is clear to me that an image of a dead pope.’

I say: A dead pope? Rev. 13 does not specify WHO the AC is and the same is true for the FP. I do agree it MIGHT be somebody from the Catholic Church, for Mystery Babylon, the Mother of Harlots, in my opinion, refers to BOTH an spiritual “Christian” entity and to a one world dictatorship form of government.

3- RIGHT:

‘God tells us in Rev.17 that the first beast arises from the bottomless pit.In Rev.9:11 God tells us that the king of the bottomless pit is a fallen angel who goes by the names of Abaddon and Apollyon.’

WRONG?:

‘The new dictator of the United States, Barack Obama as the second beast of scripture will use the entire weight of the U.S. military complex to enforce the edicts of the antichrist.

I SAY: Rev. 13:2 says: And the beast (AC) that I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his throne, and great authority.’

As you can see, power, throne and great authority were given to the AC, NOT to the FP.

4- RIGHT:

‘So yes, it is extremely important to understand which beast is related to the number 666 in Rev.13. It may mean life or death to millions of people who become deceived as to which beast is the antichrist.’

WRONG?:

‘This will become one of the "great deceptions" which scripture warns us about.’

I say: It is OUR DUTY to be ALERT and WATCHING at ALL times so the enemy does not deceive us.

Can we be deceived TRUSTING God’s, our HOLY SPIRIT?

5- RIGHT:

‘Bottom line.... 666 is the number of the false prophet and not the antichrist. Plan accordingly.’

WRONG?:

‘Obama is a man and not some entity from the bottomless pit, so how can he be the antichrist?’

I SAY: How do you know FOR SURE obama is a man and not an entity from HELL? Remember Genesis 6:2?

‘Is Obama affiliated with the RCC ?........absolutely not.’

I SAY: Absolutely not? How are you so sure?

I believe it was last year when the pope caused a great deal of talking when he defended the use of condoms. Now is obama’s turn to defend abortion and the use of contraceptives. Condoms, pills and, above all, abortions are against God’s Will, are they not?

Obama and the RCC seem to agree on the issue.

The RCC believes in Jesus Christ, so “does” obama.

You do know obama is a “Christian,” don’t you?

Besides, obama is the 12th US president to ever visit the Vatican.

If he’s not affiliated with the RCC, why did he bothered visiting the pope in “the pope's private library?” Were they just talking about "books" (For the whole story: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0903142.htm)

Is all these just a mere COINCIDENCE?

6- RIGHT:

‘The bible says in Rev.17 that the antichrist will be one of seven kings of this organization and he will also be the eighth king of this organization.’

WRONG?:

‘Is Obama or has Obama been one of seven kings of this organization?..........absolutely not.’

Notice that you mentioned that ‘This false pope will come back on the world stage immediately after the rapture of the church to become the eighth and last pope (as per Rev.17).’

Rev. 17 says the AC will be the eighth king (not a king like in the ancient times, but a RULER, a governor, a dictator, someone with the power of a king, ruling MANY nations), NOT the eighth and last pope.

Netanyahu was in the White House last Monday “consulting” obama.

Why in the world every time obama has to be CONSULTED by presidents from other countries that don’t even speak English?

Does the USA own them? If the president of the USA HAS to be consulted by presidents of foreign countries, doesn’t that make him some sort of an “EMPEROR” or “PRINCE”? (Most likely trying to imitate the PRINCE of princes.)

You might argue that this “consulting” started long before obama came from wherever he came. But I believe things are kind of different now with a president that does NOT have an American birth certificate and is faithfully supported by the American Armed Forces, the politicians of both parties, and, of course, the blind and UNEDUCATED voters. In other words, this president seems to be an ILLEGAL president, not rightfully elected but unrightfully SELECTED.

This sets him apart from ALL previous US presidents.

Who is called “the LAWLESS one” in the Bible.

The AC, of course. Could this be just another mere coincidence?

7- RIGHT:

‘ The Bible says in Rev.17 that the antichrist was, is not, and yet is. Meaning that he was alive, he died, and rises from the bottomless pit. The bible says in Rev.17:8 that when the antichrist ascends from the bottomless pit that the whole world will marvel (be totally amazed) at this person who was alive, died and has now appeared to have come alive again.’

WRONG?:

“Has Obama died?....No Has he risen from the dead?...No.

The bible says that it has been appointed once for a man to die. Obama is a man, he is alive, he has not died.”

I SAY: Matthew 12:39,40 says:
"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

The word "Antichrist" means, literally, "someone who stands instead of, or in place of, the real Jesus Christ… an adversary of Christ, while resembling him in a deceptive manner."

If Jesus died, went to the heart of the earth, and came back to the earth (for 40 days), don’t you think is POSSIBLE the AC will “die, go to HELL and come back,” as a “human being,” for 42 months?

Keep in mind the AC shall be MIMICKING Jesus Christ in EVERYTHING. Do not forget the AC APPEARED before the FP did (according to Rev. 13:1.) If that is the case, the AC has to be HERE in the world right now, wearing sheep’s clothing, deceiving those with no eyes to see or ears to hear.

8- RIGHT:

‘So why would we mix apples and oranges and say that a man Barack Obama would be the antichrist when the antichrist is some sort of demon from the bottomless pit??

The answer is simple, Satan lied to us about 666 through one of his demonic pastors or priests decades ago and millions have sworn to and have continued this lie ever since.

And people won't or haven't read their Bibles in search of the truth about this. They just keep passing on the lie.’ ‘The antichrist is some sort of entity from the bottomless pit.’

WRONG?:

The AC will take on the disguise of a former pope.

I SAY: The AC IS a political figure, the FP a religious figure.

The AC will NOT be both. (Again, Rev. 13:2) If you notice, throughout human history the pope has been a very INFLUENTIAL authority, but he HAD to depend on RULERS to do his will. The pope has never had an army to accomplish the Inquisition, the Crusades and all the RCC’s persecution against God’s people in the past or for the Christian persecution for the end times. In other words, the FP DEPENDS on the AC in order to FORCE people into taking the mark. People will trust the FP because he will be a religious, God’s figure. People tend to trust more religious, NICE “Godly” figures than blood sucking politicians. As a matter of fact, they both (the AC and the FP depend on each other to accomplish their satanic NWO agenda.

They will be working as a TEAM, something many of us, “Christians,” are neglecting to do.

“Divided WE (Christians) fall, united they (the enemies) stand.”

conclusion

I agree with: Frank Molver (7 March 2012) - "John B re who Obama is"

‘There is nothing wrong with bringing in a new idea. Not everyone believes Obama is the AC, that's OK. But you make the assumption that this idea is driven by certain persons. It's not
What do you say to the numerous people who God has given revelation that Obama is the AC.
We have had many here share that over the last few years. Do you believe that God reveals his plans to his people ahead of time thru dreams and visions?’

I say: I do know people who has had dreams about obama being the AC.I know one anti-Republican who even voted for him and defended him against “racism.”

His dream made him change his views about Mr. 2009 Nobel Peace Prize. “By peace he shall destroy MANY.”

I also agree with: Ron Reese (5 March 2012) - "Response to John B"

‘I, like many Bible Prophecy students, believe the False Prophet is likely to be the next Pope. I do believe that the Satanic NWO elite will stage a FAKE RESURRECTION of Obama, to show the world that he is their New Age Messiah. They will pull this fake resurrection off, to the world's satisfaction, as when this happens, "THE WHOLE WORLD WONDERS AFTER THE BEAST". The Antichrist will be the political leader, or Beast, and the False Prophet will become the religious leader.

Where in the Bible does God ever give Satan the power to resurrect from the dead?
With only one more month to go, why don't we all just sit back and watch this develop?

Back and forth debates on this timing will accomplish nothing, and will be a waste of precious time. At this late date, I have absolutely NO desire to debate this with anyone. Rarely does anyone try to dispute the amazing and conclusive evidence.

I say: Jesus was raised from the dead because of God’s HOLY SPIRIT. Do you think God will lend His MIGHTY Spirit to satan so he can raise the AC from the dead?

I know God is granting some extra power to His, OUR, enemy in this end of times.

But I believe satan will have to find his own way (granted by God) to perform his AC’s “resurrection” WITHOUT the help of the Holy Spirit.

I too believe we are to close for YAHUSHUA’s coming to be wasting PRECIOUS time.

We ALL, as Christians, should be ONE BODY IN CHRIST.

We ALL should keep this in mind, AT ALL TIMES:

“Divided WE (Christians) fall, united they (the enemies) stand.”

I am not trying to discredit you. You could be right and the rest of us could be wrong.

But what the Word of God says and the evidence we have, it looks like the AC is a political figure and the FP a religious figure.

And it looks like the AC is already in the public arena, while the FP is “tarrying.”

Like you say, we should be extremely careful not to mix oranges and apples, especially if those apples are the same type of apples satan made Adam and Eve eat in the Garden of Eden.

God be with you, brother, and with ALL of us, brethren.

TO GOD ALL PRAISE AND GLORY. SO BE IT. AMEN!