John B (6 March 2012)
"To Kevin Heckle.....my apology and my retraction"


Kevin,   http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2012/kevinh35.htm
 
Where do I start? I guess I start by saying I am sorry. I am sorry I "engaged you" through posts on Doves under false pretences. I meant to engage you but not to the degree that resulted because now you are upset and that was not my intention and not the way I envisioned it playing out.
 
I decided a while ago to take a big stick and whack the antichrist / false prophet hornets nest on the Doves site in an attempt to stir things up.... generate dialog.... and then distill and bring clarity to the true biblical truth from the whole antichrist / false prophet controversy. I did this because I truly believe that Satan has pulled off a great deception concerning the identities of these two beasts. I believe he did that by convincing almost everyone that 666 was the number of the antichrist when actually it is the number of the false prophet. The deception and it's effects are monumental and will cause or allow millions to worship the antichrist. One number and one line of scripture misinterpreted and overlooked will cause millions to loose their salvation. Satan can only be overjoyed with this deception. Pay no attention to the gorilla in the room or the man behind the curtain..... nothing to see here folks, just move on.
 
I felt if I engaged someone on the Doves site who was considered a brilliant researcher (you) who had already built a very strong case on the subject matter with my opposing viewpoints that it would force other Doves out there to take a hard look at the applicable verses in Rev. and in doing so would shine a bright light on one of Satan's great deceptions. What better way to have people focus on something particular and important than to inject disagreement concerning it.  Sorry if you were chosen as the sounding board.....this subject matter had to be vetted.
 
I admit that I used your research in a post to Ron Reese in another attempt to have the Doves focus on this extremely important area of scripture. Was it appropriate that I took your research pointing toward Obama being the antichrist and re-marketed it as proving he is the false prophet? Probably not, I apologize again. But if I am right, and you unknowingly proved that 666 is the number of the false prophet and not the antichrist then I believe the end justifies the means. For in this case it may prevent millions from being deceived as to who the antichrist really is and prevent them from taking his name, number or mark and prevent them from losing their salvation.
 
Think about it, if everyone believes the antichrist's number to be 666 they will definitely not take that number but if the real number of the antichrist is something else as I surmise it is..... then the populous may take that number without any qualms. Satan wins through lies and trickery.
 
And yes Kevin I will as you requested publically retract my assertion.......The assertion that I made.... that you proved without a doubt that Obama is the false prophet  I officially retract said statement  (even if I think you did prove it)
 
Am I dyslexic as you asked me in your post?    ! up people waking of hopes in pot the stirring  am I but ...No
 
And I will try to address the other concerns you brought up by copying your text in black below and replying to you in red.
 
 
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Directly addressing your faulty interpretation:
 
You assert that the 666 number refers to "a man" and could not refer to the antichrist, as that first Beast is a "spirit" being.  Is man not also a spirit being?  The Beast rises out of the "of the sea" (a reference to the Gentiles) yet is ALSO said to rise out of the bottomless pit which, in the Greek is an abyss, a bottomless well or HELL.  WHICH IS IT, the Sea or Hell?  IT'S BOTH, God is not the Author of Confusion!  Rev 13:3 says one of the heads seemed as if it were wounded to death.  In the simplest sense, the spirit of man lives on, even after the body is dead.
 
Yes, God tells us that the second beast, the false prophet comes from the earth Rev.13:11 (as opposed to the pit) and is a man Rev.13:18... meaning someone who is alive. The first beast, the antichrist, comes from the bottomless pit Rev.17:8 which appears to be located under the sea Rev.13:1.  I call the antichrist a spirit being...... call him whatever you want... an entity, a whatever, but he arises from the bottomless pit and is not a "live man". 
 
When you read Rev.17:10 you see that the heads of the first beast represent kings. So one of the kings was wounded and his deadly wound was healed. One of these seven kings was wounded and his wound was healed. He was shot and survived his wound and he later died of natural causes but he will arise from the bottomless pit to become the eighth king and the antichrist.......as per scripture
 
          Where does the spirits of the lost go?  THEY GO INTO THE Abyss, the BOTTOMLESS PIT, Sheol, Hell, Hades, etc. 
 
          Revelation 13:3 also says that the DEADLY WOUND WAS HEALED. 
 
          Where does the spirit of the risen-from-the-sea Beast come from? OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, YET HE'S STILL A MAN. Not a live man
 
 
 
 
After the apparent resurrection of the Beast, he is EMPOWERED by the dragon, SATAN himself, for 42 months.
This beast, this non-living spirit being, this image of a dead pope who arises from the bottomless pit will be indwelled by Satan himself. He will schmooze the planet and play nice for 42 months until he consolidates his power. Then, and, as it says in Rev.13:6 he will reveal his true colors and declare himself to be the true god of the universe and demand that all worship him and his talking likeness. He will demand that all take either his name, his mark, or his number or they will be killed. His reign will be nearly 7 years, 42 relative good months and nearly 42 terrible months. And his number is not 666.   666 is a number reserved for a live man from earth who will become the false prophet. Some smart guy I know on Doves proved to me that this false prophet character will be Obama.
 
The Sea BEAST  has flesh, lest there could not APPEAR A WOUND.  Can a "spirit" spill the blood of a deadly wound and be seen by the whole world to heal?
This beast from the bottomless pit spilled his blood when he was alive. He was shot and wounded and yes the whole world was aware of it.
 
CHAPTERS are also spent by Daniel describing the actions of a MAN, the antichrist, not an apparition.
 
Finally, there is this:
 
Whom do you say is the MAN OF SIN, aka. the SON OF PERDITION?  Is he JUST a man or ALSO a product of Hell? He was both, he was a living man and an image of this man will rise from the bottomless pit to be indwelled by Satan to become the son of perdition.
 
2Th 2:3 KJV - Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;  Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
 
Who is this MAN in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, the Antichrist or the False Prophet?  The antichrist 
 
Are they, a spirit and a man separately in competition with each other for God's throne?
In a manor of speaking you could say yes. As I stated above a man who was pope was shot and mortally wounded when he was alive but was healed of his wounds. He died of natural causes. An image of this man will arisen from the bottomless pit to be indwelled by Satan to become the eighth king of a world wide organization that reigns over people, multitudes, nations and tongues. All the people on earth will marvel when they see the beast that... was (alive) and is not (he died) and yet is (he will rise from the bottomless pit and appear to be alive again) I say appear because it is given for a man to live and die once. Whatever the entity is that rises from the bottomless pit and assumes the image and identity of this former pope......will not be a man, but the image was a man, hence.....man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
 
Was this pope a man of sin? you judge...
--His title of Vicar of Christ on Earth meaning he was god on earth and was infallible is beyond blasphemous.
--He oversaw the most blasphemous organization on the planet. RCC removed God's second commandment from the ten commandments He gave to Moses about the adoration of statues. The RCC literally worships millions of them in their churches all over the planet. RCC makes a mockery of the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross for us by re-sacrificing Jesus thousands of times daily in their Masses around the planet as if Jesus didn't do it right the first time. RCC adoration to the false Mary they have created is also beyond blasphemous. Libraries could be written on the blasphemy connected to their false Mary. RCC murdered millions of true Christians and Jews in the Middle Ages who would not pledge their allegiance to the popes and soon millions more will be murdered, when the left behind after the rapture refuse to take the mark, number or name of the new eighth pope who will arise to become the antichrist. Just as it was in the Middle Ages.
-- He oversaw all manors of anti-biblical workings and actions of the RCC past and present.
 
So you judge, was he a man of sin?
 
And he will be revealed...
He will arise from the ashes of the rapture to reveal himself and explain to the planet what just happened with the disappearance of millions of people and start his 7 year reign. 42 play nice months and approx. 42 months of hell on earth. 
 
Kevin, again I am sorry I pulled you into a discussion under false pretenses to force discussion on a very important topic. But now that it is front and center the Doves can crack open their bibles and see for themselves rather than being force fed that Obama is the antichrist. All the proof is there in scripture and Obama absolutely does not qualify to be the antichrist. I also learned a lot about your character and the depth of your bible knowledge in this exercise.
 
Blessings Kevin.......John B
 
P.S.--Going for some more ice fishing on Wed. ......I'll be thinking about you and the Doves in between flags