Susanna P (30 March 2011)
"All vs Partial rapture questions"


 
I have some questions I need some help with. I have been in both camps at one time or another in my faith journey. Although during my periods of partial rapture belief, it was more based on those left behind were not really saved, not just immature or not fully sanctified believers. Now, as I am reading all these posts, I am constantly coming up with questions on a point or two from each post, so I will try to consolidate them here.

Because, He removes our sins from as far as the east is from the west (Ps 103:12) and because one sin is not more grievous than the next as pointed out that if we are guilty of breaking one jot or tittle of the law, we are guilty of breaking the whole thing (James 2:10)...

Then how can anyone be left behind for the sin of not glorifying God, or not becoming more Christlike in honor and devotion for His substitutionary death?

Is this sin not covered by the blood of the Lamb?   How many sins, exactly, does it take to get left behind?   One, 10, 1000, 100,000?  How many are we forgiven for? 

Because there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, then there is NO condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, even the immature ones.

If He is faithful to complete in us what He has started, then when the end of the world comes, it won't be half done, it will be finished (In fact, were these not Jesus' last words?  Not, It is half done....).  If it is finished, how can anyone be then left on their own, without the Holy Spirit, to try and finish it on their own?

If Adam is a symbol of the body of Christ (not sure about this one... isn't he a type of Christ, not of the body of Christ which is the church... can anyone help me with this?).... How does the All rapture camp get around the Bride only coming from the rib.. obviously only a small portion of the body?

I am confused about the virgins.   The church is never called the same thing as the world.  We have the wheat and the tares, the sheep and the goats, etc....when there is a separation, there is a delineation...  Why are both groups virgins?   And how does the Partial rapture camp get around the fact that they are going to the Wedding feast and not the Wedding?    The Wedding precedes the feast by 7 days and then the bride and groom are hidden away for 7 days and THEN the feast.   How can the virgins be the same as the Bride?   And how can the Bride be locked out of the feast.. AFTER the Wedding????

And because Jesus knows His sheep, how can He say to the foolish virgins I never knew you?  Wouldn't that be a lie if the truth was.. I once knew you, but now I don't because you didn't have enough oil? Doesn't the mere fact that He says I NEVER knew you, mean that these people were never saved in the first place?  Thus they are CINO's... or tribulation folks that must earn their way into the feast.

Some one stated that Daniel was a type of First fruits and that He was symbolic of the first rapture and the other three went to the fiery furnace.   BUT, isn't Daniel symbolic of Christ who was the first fruit of the resurrection?  That makes all the believers going through the same fiery furnace of which we have been in for the last 2000 years.   Wasn't Christ there amoung them?  Didn't Jesus say that He would not leave us, even unto the end of the world?    Isn't the restrainer the Holy Spirit (Christ says "I and the Holy Spirit are one)?   So if the restrainer is removed, and we are left without the Holy Spirit and without the Lord, then, Jesus would be a liar... He will not leave His Sheep EVER!.   Jesus says that in this life will be many trials and tribulations, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.   And that He would never leave us.   The tribulations saints will have been left!   How does that match up?


As Kevin Heckle put it, if it is the blood of Christ that makes us worthy, then how can someone be found partially worthy????  How can someone have "a little bit" of the Holy Ghost?   If the Holy Ghost has sealed us, does the seal fall off like the wax on the back of a letter, because it wasn't put on well enough?   Or there wasn't enough wax to hold it securely? 


Sorry so many questions, but each time a read a post on this more and more questions keep popping up.. these are only the questions from this mornings posts.... I would love to hear what you all have to say.. blessings, Susanna


Ok... help me think this through...

Jesus says:

Rom 10:13  For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."


But He also says in Matt 7:21-23:

Mat 7:21  "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23  And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'


Is this because He says the will of His Father is:

Joh 6:40  For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day."

So.. Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.. But not everyone who says "Lord, Lord" will be saved.. only those who do the will of the Father which is to believe (no works) in Jesus.  

So obviously you can say Lord Lord and not believe in Jesus.  This must be what CINO means.   

Right?