Paul Wilson (7 March 2011)
"RE Paul Wilson--enraged"

I am not cursing them. I am venting my anger. Yes God can save them he can also strike them down it is his call. Can you honestly say you have never had feelings of anger and needed to vent??? Can you say that the Westboro church doesn’t anger you?? That the fact christians are being linked to them because of their activity doesn’t make you the least bit mad?? (I have once spoken to people online about God condemning homosexuality [the sin not the sinner] and been compared to Mr. Phelps)
 
It needs to be known true christians disagree with them (as God does NOT hate the sinner as they claim) and their methods. Christians have been so quick to “turn the other cheek”, “judge not lest ye be judged”, “Jesus loved all so should we”, “Jesus didn’t condemn” and “can’t we all just get along” that most don’t take a stand on anything anymore. We have become toothless, pacifists, non-confrontational kittens!! We should denounce those who misrepresent Christ and Christianity. Jesus wasn’t pacifist when he rebuked the Pharisees (I am aware he didn’t not ask God to strike them down) and the money changers in the temple was he?? When people are saying the wrong things about God and calling themselves Christian while doing it we have a obligation to speak out. Even if they don’t listen to us the truth is where it needs to be. I never said God couldn’t saved them. While I would hope that during the tribulation they will come to know the error of their ways and repent I won’t hold my breath. Based on what I see now I think they will say “Lord, Lord” and he will say “I never knew ye”.
 
Again I was venting I was mad and wanted to say so. I find it helps to vent and get the anger out so it is not festering inside. I do admit asking God to strike them down wasn’t the right thing to say but most people in anger say things that aren’t the best but God knows the heart and he knows the person. I just get frustrated sometimes at all the evil that is allowed to occur and at how so called christians are allowed to exist and make real christians look bad in peoples eyes. I can’t just ignore it and sing. I can’t act like nothing is happening or that because they are a lunatic fringe it doesn’t affect me. While I am waiting for the rapture like everyone I don’t think we should ignore these things going on in the church or things that make the church look bad.
 
Paul
 
PS while you leave it to the student to find verses I believe it makes for a better argument to provide those verses yourself. A teacher must teach not expect that the student will teach himself. Since we are supposed to help one another (iron sharpeneth iron) providing the references just makes sense and makes to job quicker so one can learn more. A half sharpening doesn’t do as much as a full sharpening.
 
 
 
Michael Colunga (5 March 2011)
"RE:  Paul Wilson--"enraged""

 
Hello, John and Doves,
 
Brother Paul, before you go around cursing others, you should know the laws of cursing.
Yes, they are real; and no, I am not kidding.
 
1.    You will always only curse people concerning those sins which you yourself are guilty
        of, or those sins which God has forgiven you, which same sins He did cleanse you of.
 
2.    Curses, by their nature, always try to rebound on their source.
 
3.    Therefore, one should always provide a way out for the offender, else there will be no
        way out for you.
 
4.    The only known way to break any and all curses is by the shed blood of the Lamb of God.
 
There may be more rules, but these are the basic ones.  It is left to the student to find the
Scripture references for the above four rules.
 
Now, as regarding the Westboro Baptist Church--and any and all people with whom we disagree,
I believe that God can save anyone, for any reason at all, or for no discernable reason at all.
That's what I call being sovereign!
 
The bottom line?  If any members of the Westboro Baptist Church are saved, then the curse that you cursed them with has no effect.  You are both covered by the blood.
 
Instead of wasting our breath, then, "Let's Just Praise the Lord!"  [words and music by Bill and
Gloria Gaither]
 
For it is written,
    "...You are holy, Enthroned in the praises of Israel."  Psalm 22:3  [the Psalm about the
Suffering Messiah]
 
Happy living!
 
In HaShem,
Mike C.
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Paul Wilson (3 March 2011)
"enraged"

I can’t believe the Westboro nuts won. As I have said before law and morality parted way along time ago and law has never looked back. I don’t think this is a christian thought but I wish God would smite them all. They are hatefully ungodly people and I don’t understand why God doesn’t do something. To apply the term christian to them is woefully wrong. Church of satan would be more accurate for them. While I am certain they will NOT be raptured and that most likely will be killed by the AC I cant see even them bowing down to him I am fairly certain when they die Jesus will say “I never knew ye be gone ye that work iniquity”. In that sense they will face justice and no one to appeal to to overturn their fate.
 
Paul