Paul Wilson (30 March 2011)
"For Paul Wilson re Dewey"

I mentioned it because I felt it important to know most times I simply don’t reply to people but I believe it is a valid question for someone who believes he or she heard from God to answer. If you do not test then you can not be certain you heard from the Lord and if you do not test then I cant be certain you have either. Too many “hear” from God without testing and because the voice they hear says it is God they assume it is. If we are to believe someone heard form God we need to apply the litmus test God gave us to ensure we are not led astray. Also when two people hear two different things we must try to access who heard from God and who did not.
I believe God helped found us but not because I believe the founders Christian. I believe he used these men to his agenda.  I have shown the founders own words to show they weren't Christian the video shows more of there words and sources for them. We can not let ultra-patriotism get in the way. While the constitution founded us as a great nation it is not a covenant with him. There are no words even resembling such a covenant with him in there.  I certainly would not place it, or the compact, against the covenant with Abraham. Israel is the only nation that there is a covenant with. Even if there were a covenant he could restore her in the MK. He destroyed and restored the Israeli nation before so why should we be different??? What make us judgment proof??? What in the constitution covenant prevents our destruction for the heap of sins we as a nation have done???? There are true christians in america and I believe they will be raptured. When they are gone I believe God will deal with america as is appropriate. I pray that the end is swift and not prolonged and that any who survive will turn to God and he will help them live through the trib. If a revival is coming it will come to whatever is left of america after judgment. I believe we are ripe for his destruction but when he destroys us he may then partly rebuild us from what remains until a full rebuilding at the beginning of the MK.
As for the old white guys etc. comments I am NOT a liberal/progressive ideologue trying to reshape america into a commie utopia. but having said that I am not a conservative with his blinders on only looking at what goes along with the ‘christian nation’ belief. I look at the words of the people themselves to know what they said. I could claim you said God told you to ‘dress like a chicken and give out eggs to people at a rodeo’ but if I don’t have your actual words to back that up it is meaningless. If you want to know the thoughts and words of the founders you have to look at their papers, letters, and diaries.
these aren't just my thoughts here this video is offered through P in the N and the director/author was interviewed by Gary so it would appear these views on the founders NOT being christian are held by him and J.R. church God rest his soul.
Dewey (29 March 2011)
"For Paul Wilson re Dewey"

Hi Paul, no I did not answer part of your question, I took off a while from any postings on
either of the two sites I interact with, for a few days.  But to answer you as to my believing I hear something from God, you won't like this Paul, but my hearing  from the Lord is not
subject to review by you or anyone else but the Holy Spirit, you don't challenge all of the
other posters on the Doves, am I special or something ?  Its not necessary for a posted
reply to this.
Moving along, if you know your Bible, surely you should, you already know of the event in
the Torah, Chapter 14 of Numbers, and it was not Moses acting as God wanted him to do,
it was intercession on Moses's part, and it was un necessary to do so, as YHVH told him
HE would make of him, Moses, a greater and mightier nation than them,  Moses was under
no obligation to intercede for Israel.  It was an offer he could accept without guilt or any
necessity.  Again surely you are familiar with this event, it also referenced again in ch 9 of
No hard feelings Bro Paul, and as you said, His will be done, BUT, we are told to speak up,
and declare our perspectives to Him, thay we may be corrected.
Do you get before the Lord for America ?? Or just blow it off as ungodly and deserving of
destruction, worthy  of  all damnation, do you hold up before HIM the faith of our Fathers,
or are  they just a bunch of old dead white men as some said some years ago, useless old writings no longer valid, swept aside by these modern times ??  We cling to The Bible, a few thousand years old, but its writings provided our Founding Fathers the inspiration they
held to establish The United States of America, God breathed, and still God breathed
inspiration to this very day.  It was a covenant cut with them, and some of us to this day
hold it up to Him, declaring it to Him. Remember it Lord, YOU authored it.