Pablo (30 March 2011)
"Why are we mixing things up?"

Luke 21:36 "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Why are we mixing Eternal life with the rapture? although they CAN go by the hand, eternal life CAN exclude the rapture. Such will be the case for those left behind that will have their one last chance: "Endure and most likely Die for Jesus or mark yourself and live a little bit for the Antichrist, these are the foolish virgins' choices"

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVES IN HIM should not perish, but have EVERLASTING LIFE (this does not mean raptured).

Christians have died and gone through tribulation since Jesus ascended, yet they've obtained eternal life, why would it be any differently during the birth pains and maybe the first half of the tribulation? (not to be confused with the great tribulation/wrath of God)

Lets take the whole word for what it is, in context! and not just 1 or 2 verses to reconcile our way of seeing things. Yes Jesus is enough for our salvation, yes all we have to do is believe (faith) but true faith has works, otherwise your faith is dead faith (James says this...), by "works" it means obedience, it means doing His will, I know christians who say they believe, heck! they believe with all their hearts apparently, they even confess Jesus as their Lord and Savior all the time but aren't really living the life that Jesus taught us to live (by their fruits we shall know them). God is a just God, he does not pay everyone the same, that would be injustice, the rapture is a reward by itself, that's why He explicitly said "Watch and pray, that you may be accounted worthy", why would Jesus say something like that if everyone who believes in Jesus will be raptured? that just makes no sense to me, it is what it is, you must be found worthy to be raptured, this has nothing to do with eternal life, this is the rapture we are talking about, it's for His bride. Jesus speaks to 7 churches in Revelations, dispensationalism says that these are church ages, practicality and common sense shows me all of these 7 churches can be applied to christians nowadays, its no coincidence that out of these 7 churches only 1 is promised to be kept from the hour of trial the world will face. Paul said it very clearly, to work on our salvation with fear and trembling, he even said that he could be disqualified or castaway.

Philippians 2:12 "Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;"

1 Corinthians 9:27 "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should BE A CASTAWAY." or "But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become DISQUALIFIED"

Take the WHOLE word for what it is, and not just a few verses, the whole word teaches us that we need to "overcome", Jesus "overcame" we that follow Him, must do the same through Him. He already paid the ticket through His once and for all sacrifice, now we must get on that boat and remain on it, It's a narrow path and not many find it, the narrowness shows the difficulty of staying on it, let us overcome through Jesus and the guidance of His Holy Spirit (the oil in our lamps).

Luke 9:23 "Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross DAILY, and follow Me."

In Christs love, God bless you all!