John and Doves,
of encouragement about your salvation:
those who have considered that,
"...[I]t may be possible to
backslide (a major understatement!) to such a degree that someone does not want
to keep the priceless and everlasting gift that the Lord has given, so if that
person chooses – because of free will – to actually give it back and be in a
state of rejection of all that God is at the point of death, that person will
not go to heaven," [See my highlighting in Steve's post,
would like to remind you of the words of Jesus
He spoke before He went to the Cross of Calvary:
"My Father, who
has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no
one is able to snatch them out of My Father's
means that the person who is saved cannot himself snatch himself out of the
one" means not one. Not you, not me, not Slewfoot-hoof-in-mouth, not your
parents, not your childhood enemy, not the Antichrist, not Obama, not Prince
William, not Santa Closet [the bogeyman], not King Herod, not Captain Kirk, not
Scotty, etc.,etc.. Period. End of story.
"All that the Father giveth me
shall come to me; and him that cometh to me
I will in no wise cast out."
top secret, for eyes only, meaning of eternal security of the believer
is......wait for it.........
"eternal security of the believer."
are merely hanging onto The Branch [Jeremiah 33:15] in a rain-swollen river,
then you are
"standing firm." Standing firm means "Who's
you're Daddy [read: Abba, Father]?"
"I and [my] Father are
one." John 10:30
"At that day ye shall
know that I [am] in my
Father, and ye in me,
and I in you."
this hidden proof that Yom Teruah [Hebrew, lit: Day of Blowing] will be
our Nirvana [Sanskrit,
lit: blowing out]?
Steve (3 March
I am so grateful to Ola, Charmaine and Cary because
they reflect God’s word and His righteousness so well.
I have no doubt at all that we are SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH
FAITH and NOTHING CAN EVER CAUSE US TO LOSE THAT SALVATION.
In my opinion, this presupposes that however sinful we have
been since the moment of our salvation, we actually want to remain saved in
spite of our inability to avoid succumbing to
However, I think it may be possible to
backslide (a major understatement!) to such a degree that someone does not
want to keep the priceless and everlasting gift that the Lord has given, so if
that person chooses – because of free will – to actually give it back and be
in a state of rejection of all that God is at the point of death, that person
will not go to heaven.
Of course it is possible to say such a person was not really
saved in the first place, or that it simply can’t happen, but this then begs
the question: what category of person is being talked about in the bible,
where Paul says that some people (eg Gal 5 v19 – 21) will not inherit the
Kingdom of God..... Are they all unregenerate? I don’t think so, given the
context in which he is speaking.
What about Mark 13 v13 where “all who
stand firm to the end will be saved”
Love to my brothers and sisters in Christ.