Hello, John and Doves,At this late date, it is important that we are all on the same page. The writer of the Epistleto the Hebrews, chapter 6:1-12, is not in any way laying down new doctrine. Everything revealedin the New Testament is at most concealed in the Old.As such, it is crystal clear that the author proceeds from an intimate understanding of theeighteenth chapter of Ezekiel. Check it out! The same theme is there.In HaShem,Mike C._________________________________________________________________________________
Bill Griese (4 March 2011)
"To Steve: Regarding your post "Holiness, salvation, grace....""
To Steve: Regarding your post "Holiness, salvation, grace...."
If I'm understanding your position correctly, you are saying that salvation can't be lost by sinning, but can be lost by apostasy (i.e. renouncing Christ). This is also my position. I have arrived at this through my personal study of Hebrews, especially Chapter 6:1-12. Here we have Hebrew Christians that were being persecuted for their faith in Christ and as a result were considering a return to Judaism. They are being warned (6:4) in the strongest terms that if they "fall away" (renounce Christ) and return to Judaism, there is no coming back again. Verse 4 calls them "partakers of the Holy Spirit", which to me settles the issue that they are saved, born again Christians, in spite of protests from many commentators. I do believe in Eternal Security, but with Apostasy being the lone exception.
Hebrews 6:1-12 NKJV "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame. For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God; but if it bears thorns and briers, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. But, beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you, yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak in this manner. For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises."